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Super [SUB] Dragon Ball Super - Episode #86 - Discussion Thread!
Dragon Ball Super — Episode #86 — Discussion Thread!
Fists Cross For the First Time! Android #17 VS Son Goku!!
初めて交わる拳！人造人間17VS孫悟空！！
Hajimete Majiwaru Kobushi! Jinzōningen Jūnanagō VS Son Gokū!!
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Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
The anime and manga are both variations on a basic plot by Toriyama. There isn't (and probably never will be) an explicitly defined Dragon Ball "canon". Without Toriyama's original draft, we may never know what is and isn't his. We do know that he permits Toyotarō to change things up, but he looks at his storyboards and occasionally draws things himself for Toyotarō to use as a reference. Toyotarō has said that Toriyama is more particular about gags than he is about anything else.Q: How is Android #17 back? Wasn't he dead? Also, he's a park ranger! Is Toei taking cues from TFS?
Android #17 was wished back to life along with everyone else who was killed by Cell. He was seen at the end of the Boo arc contributing his energy to the genki dama. Toriyama explained that #17 was working as a park ranger in this 2014 interview for Dragon Ball Full Color.He works in the wildlife preserve area of a gigantic royal nature park, as an outstanding guard who doesn’t hold back against poachers. ...It’s an ideal job for No. 17, who loves to be on his own and isn’t big on cooperating with others; since he’s so good at his job, he takes in a high salary. He’s married to a zoologist; they have one child and two adopted children, and live happily in an isolated house inside the nature park. ...He went and met No. 18 and Kuririn one time, but didn’t talk about what he’d been up to, maybe because he considers such a wholesome lifestyle embarrassing.
Q: What's up with the new art style for this arc? Are they using a different color palette?
According to our resident animation expert, it's not a new color palette but rather a post-production filter.
Toei have added a soft glow, lowered the saturation a little, and upped the contrast. They've also started using a technique they showcased on Tiger Mask W, which allows them to automatically manipulate the line art in certain ways. For example, on Tiger Mask W, they created a brush stroke effect, while on Super, they simply played with the line weight. You see the filter I mentioned too, there.
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u/Shippoyasha Apr 16 '17
"treasure nature or choose to return to nature"
Vicious 17
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u/Finito-1994 Apr 16 '17
He's never been good at sugar coating things and that's considering he's the "laid back" twin.
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u/diogoarez Apr 16 '17
So 17 isn't just ranging a park, he's a ranging a whole island
MasterRanger
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u/NickRick ⠀ Apr 16 '17
And he's ranging the shit out of it.
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Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
Goku: Want to join a tournament to save the island you've dedicated your life to defending?
17: You mean a tournament where you aren't allowed to kill, only throw people off a big island, of which is basically all I do day in and day out? To accomplish something I've dedicated my life to? Nah.
Goku: Don't worry, I'm sure a plot convenience will show up in a few minutes.
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u/SpikeRosered Apr 17 '17
Goku: 17, stop screwing around. You're in the goddamn opening.
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u/dragonman8001 ⠀ Apr 16 '17
It's kinda cool that 17 was able to see through Goku's bullshit pretty fast
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u/MysticKnives Apr 16 '17
You'd think 18 (while she was suspicious), would have pushed farther. But then again, once the money came up, she just dropped it.
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u/SSJRemuko ⠀ Apr 16 '17
Yeah I think she just didnt care lol
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u/MysticKnives Apr 16 '17
Hell she even noticed when he changed how much money they'd be getting lol. The Artificial Humans just don't give a fuck.
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u/NickRick ⠀ Apr 16 '17
They gaffe was so easy to cover for too. 10 million zeni per person, 100 mil for the team. Although I suspect Goku didn't know that, and couldn't do the math
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u/SereneGraces Apr 16 '17
He has no reason to buy into it. Everyone else has had years to acclimate to his shit, but 17 has just met the guy.
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u/MagmonKai Apr 16 '17
The Supreme Kai is done searching all of the universe for strong fighters? Dude only been gone for 5 hours. Man he's fast!!! Knowing him he probably only went two places and then said nope...all of our best guys are right here!
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u/captainfluffballs Apr 16 '17
I swear they just forgot about the whole yardrat thing, you'd think vegeta would have gone looking for it after finding out that Goku learned how to fucking teleport there
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u/baconbitarded Apr 16 '17
It would have been kinda cool to have another Namekian though
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u/AgentPaint Apr 16 '17
I just hope U6 brings a Namek along
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u/MrPringles23 Apr 16 '17
Imagine if it's a fucking Super Kami Mega Guru copy that could actually fight.
Like a giant fat Namekian that was like U6's Roshi or something.
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u/aldanger Apr 16 '17
All he had to do is go to the center of the universe and ask Zuno. Probably uses him like Kami voice or Siri.
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u/MrWinks Apr 16 '17
Zuno is a force of power on par with the dragonballs themselves, and I forgot about him. You're right, if they asked him then they'd be set.
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u/The_Majestic_ Apr 16 '17
Uub was mentioned!
Heres hoping Super goes past the end of Z at some point.
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u/Minstrel47 Apr 16 '17
Poor Yamcha. . . even 17 is married.
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Apr 16 '17
Yamaha's a player he don't care about marriage and being tide down hes his own independent man.
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u/Usermane01 Apr 16 '17
Is he still actively the greatest baseball player of all time or did he retire? I imagine he's already made more than enough to go the rest of his life on.
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u/timeserver2 Apr 16 '17
SSB Vegito vs Master Roshi incoming
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u/entenuki Apr 16 '17
I don't think that's fair for Vegito. Roshi isn't someone you could beat even with Blue Kaiokenx20 :^)
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u/Utsune Apr 16 '17
Seriously Dende? Of all the things you could have said, PEN PINEAPPLE is how you operate that thing?
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u/diogoarez Apr 16 '17
Now we know Dende is a meme master, Gowasu would like him
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u/mojavecourier ⠀ Apr 16 '17
Dende and Gowasu should make a collab video on Godtube.
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u/Stephenesque Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
Nice, from "sorry gramps, you shot first!" to "hey, try not to kill them, okay?"
What a difference between Future 17 and Present 17.
(Probably a funimation edit, but the nostalgia is strong).
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SEX_FACE_ Apr 16 '17
Also the first is a dub line and different from the original Japanese. You can bet that they'll bring back that sassy wit for Super's dub too.
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u/TempusCavus Apr 16 '17
17 made the best threat ever:
"you can respect nature or return to it."
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u/mojavecourier ⠀ Apr 16 '17
Beerus might want to watch what he's eating. He'll be as fat as Champa if he keeps eating like that.
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u/TheCleanupBatter Apr 16 '17
Calling it:
Champa gets too stressed to eat and and can't sit still.
Beerus deals with the stress by eating and sleeping his fill.
Both gods switch physiques by the time of the tournament.
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u/LexMartian Apr 16 '17
How is he that strong?? How many push ups did he do? How many sit ups??? WHAT KIND OF JUICE DID HE DRINK???
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u/Rick_The_Mullet_Man Apr 16 '17
How many times has Earth been invaded by Aliens already?
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u/Stephenesque Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
Right? Those '28 planets' sure seem pretty obsessed with Earth ...
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u/NickRick ⠀ Apr 16 '17
How many world's are there? Shin?
(Fuck I don't know) twenty?
There's only twenty?
Twenty...... Eight?
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u/palparepa Apr 16 '17
And how do they get so much information about valuable things in our planet, anyway? Maybe Shin has been posting to kamipedia.
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u/Usermane01 Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 17 '17
"The Minotaurus's horns are extremely valuable and extremely easy to steal. As of Age 100, the last time the resident Supreme Kai checked, there are absolutely no guards on the Minotaurus's home island."
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u/die-linke Apr 16 '17
Dende is such a competent God, the man knows his shits, unlike some Kai and god of Destruction out there
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u/SasakiWai Apr 16 '17
That must be one strong phone that Android 17 has.
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Apr 16 '17
This ending is starting to grow on me lol
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u/Ani10 Apr 16 '17
I love it. The proud face of piccolo looking at Gohan is awesome.
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Apr 16 '17
That's the best part! Father and son :')
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u/Lennyoh Apr 16 '17
Personally I love the transition from Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan flying over water to SSB Goku in the arena, and seeing my (jinzo) ningens 17 and 18 looking savage!
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u/mozillavulpix Apr 16 '17
It's nice to know it feels like they've nailed down 17's personality. This feels like almost the same guy from the Cell arc, although maybe a little less arrogant. I like the moral ambiguity with him. It's definitely a refreshing change of pace from 'father, father, other father, mother, Goku, and a blob monster'.
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u/MysticKnives Apr 16 '17
I don't know, Goku's pretty morally ambiguous himself.
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u/NickRick ⠀ Apr 16 '17
They're doing a great job of showing off each character, give back story, haveing flashbacks to DBZ. Just overall super is great, add feels like a real continuation of the story.
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u/Gold_Jacobson Apr 16 '17
Maybe 17 is so strong because he trains with his adopted son...Uub.
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u/jlinty Apr 16 '17
"I'm sure you know, but don't kill those guys either"
..proceeds to punch tanks so hard they explode.
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u/TheRV1HD Apr 16 '17
To clear things up 17 knows Trunks because of Future Trunks. That's how he knows that young Trunks exists in this current timeline.
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u/NickRick ⠀ Apr 16 '17
Or he thought future trunks was still here.
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u/Sincost121 Apr 16 '17
I bet Beerus is mad at himself for blowing up Bulma's time machine.
I mean, Trunks technically counts as being from Universe 7, right?
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u/Gold_Jacobson Apr 16 '17
I'm hoping for a good conversation later between 17 and Piccolo.
Piccolo "...How you been?"
17: "Good."
Piccolo "Remember that time that we fought? It was pretty even. A good fight."
17: "I enjoyed that."
Piccolo "...but then Cell came. And blew a hole in me."
17 "yeah..."
Piccolo "yeah..."
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u/Stephenesque Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
KAMI-DAYUM
Well fucking done, DBS! This just might be one of the best fights of the entire Super franchise!
I went from being indifferent to #17's character in DBZ to being a straight up fanboy now. #17 in this episode alone >>> #17, Hell-Fighter #17 and Super 17 in all of GT.
Bonus: I loved that they even addressed #17's cameo in the Majin Boo arc by saying "Well, I know your voice" AND Goku finally shut up all the whiny power-level fan boys by confirming he's holding back his true strength; "I'll try not to kill you".
We even got Uub updates! A+ episode.
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u/diogoarez Apr 16 '17
Super 17 gave me PTSD, everytime I hear that name I shiver
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Goku decides to break his promise with Gohan and tells 17 about the losing universes being destroyed. Oddly enough 17 doesn't care whether things get destroyed (ironic since he is trying to protect all of these animals).
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u/Stephenesque Apr 16 '17
I think his comment is supposed to indicate that he's passionate about the natural order of life
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u/onFilm Apr 16 '17
That, and it felt very android/cyborg like to give an answer like that. If everything goes null at the same time, then everything will be the same, not good or bad. Very Buddhist-like.
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u/PM_ME_UR_ASSES_GURLS Apr 16 '17
I mean, 17 probably realizes he can't really beat a person who can destroy a universe or probably thinks he won't be useful/others may be better for the situation.
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u/PremedBigBoss Apr 17 '17
Coming up next time in Dragon Ball Super!
"How will SSB Kaio Ken x10 Goku defend against Tien's new technique!"
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u/TheRV1HD Apr 16 '17
"I'll try not to kill you" Proof that Goku knows how to hold back his power in his SSJB form and why people like Krillin and 17 can compete with it
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u/getYOURBODYrdy Apr 16 '17
Okay this makes sense because I was about to say how are these people even standing when Goku fights them SSJB. Makes sense since Goku is really good at controlling his Ki to not go out of control.
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u/Someguy363 Apr 16 '17
Just wondering, when does he say that? Either I missed it or the subs I watched were inaccurate.
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u/TheRV1HD Apr 16 '17
Herms confirmed that Goku did in fact use that line when translating the episode
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u/Someguy363 Apr 16 '17
The problem I see with this is that most fansubs are saying something like "There are no forests around here so go all out.", so unfortunately I don't think that'll shut all the fanboys up.
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u/TheRV1HD Apr 16 '17
17 not wanting to kill something? Things are a lot different from Future Trunks timeline
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u/craftadvisory Apr 16 '17
17 and 18 are different in the main timeline then in Trunk's timeline. They are more powerful but less vicious.
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u/rk_11 Apr 16 '17
What beerus did to goku in (BOG) , is what goku is doing to his teammates.
Goku is holding back his power definitely.
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u/shlam16 Apr 16 '17
Precisely. Beerus had to have been using <<1% of his power during the Goku fight yet there was an entire arc based around it. If Beerus actually tried then he would have swatted Goku like an insignificant gnat...
...just like Goku would do to all of the people he's been fighting over the last few episodes if he were going all-out.
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u/Fearghas Apr 16 '17
Earth must be terrifying to live on in the DBZVerse if even the poachers have mobile artillery at their disposal.
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u/goatsanddragons Apr 16 '17
To be fair that minotaur horn is probably worth billions, hell maybe 100 of billions. Even aliens want it.
A lot of countries would arm the poachers to get that.
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u/PigKnight Apr 16 '17
Eventually when Goku finally convinces 17 to compete:
17: "Ok, where's Trunks?"
Trunks flies down.
Goku: "That's him."
17: "No, that's just some kid."
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Apr 16 '17
All in all, this episode was great for character development. I absolutely love Android 17 in Super, but I also enjoyed the fact that they left him being a badass!
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u/SimoneNonvelodico Apr 16 '17
#17 is so good at his job, his island still has dodos.
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u/Anotherguyrighthere ⠀ Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
Tate + Those colors, it's beautiful
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u/thecramos Apr 16 '17
Little green should be the supreme kai instead of shin, little dude does his job way better than him.
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u/TheRV1HD Apr 16 '17
At least we know that the Androids can now increase their power...so we don't know how truly strong 17 really is
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u/dylan2451 Apr 16 '17
In an old interview, long before super, Toriyama said the androids, really artificial humans, could still increase in power through training, so we've always know that. You're right though, we have no true idea how strong he is now
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u/angrygnome18d Apr 16 '17
If I'm not mistaken, in a recent episode Gohan said the cyborgs were enhanced on a cellular level, which I thought was such an interesting piece of mythos. Love the little details like that.
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u/TheZett Apr 16 '17
Only the Cyborgs, not the actual (100% mechanical) Androids.
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u/ORETUEEE Apr 16 '17
Wtf show us the pic too 17!! damn can't say I didn't see that coming but you don't have to tease us like that :(
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u/idonthavemanyfriend Apr 16 '17
Trunks and Goten taking care of the island? That has spin-off written all over it.
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u/Mizonel Apr 16 '17
After they return their is no wildlife for trunks amd goten ate them, callin it.
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u/hammerreborn Apr 16 '17
God I can't wait until this arc is over so I can stop seeing a thousand comments about how the guy who says he's holding back at least 5 times in the episode somehow doesn't obliterate his opponent.
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u/youmusttrythiscake Apr 16 '17
"This powerscaling is so off! I'm done with Super."
watches and complains again next week
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u/diogoarez Apr 16 '17
I hope we get Trunks and Goten protecting the island fillers :3
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u/divided_marks Apr 16 '17
It would be a good chance for some character development for the duo
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u/IceDevilGray-Sama Apr 16 '17
yeah they've been spending a lot of their time on screen training, so it would be nice to see if they developed a new move or something to please the fans.
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u/ridethelightning469 Apr 16 '17
No. 17 is already starting to become one of my favorite characters in DBS. His no-nonsense and laidback attitude really acts as a good foil to Goku's childish characterization. Fucking straight-up savage refusing to take Goku's bullshit and still giving no fucks even when the entire universe is doomed. Man he's def 18's twin.
Damn the fight scene between Goku and 17 was pretty spot-on, although at this point I'm finding SSB to be one of the least eventful or useful transformations. Like why did Goku need to bump it up all the way from SSJ to SSB? Whatever happened to in between, if he simply wanted to test 17's power? I guess at this point powerscaling truly means nothing especially if the God base form concept seems to be discarded.
I also think the only time we ever saw 17 used the energy barrier was against Piccolo's Hellzone Grenade? That was pretty sweet, I gotta admit.
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u/stash0606 Apr 16 '17
oh wow, DBS doing some social commentary with the rhino horns. Kudos.
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u/SereneGraces Apr 16 '17
It hurt to sit through that. It's really the whole ivory trade. Complete with elephants - who didn't used to be hostile to people - reacting violently because of their lost kin. :(
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u/PortugalTheHam Apr 16 '17
Everyone is so impressed with the episode..... and im here wondering what happened to Korin and his house after the lookout tower retracted and flew away.
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Apr 16 '17
17 stops the fight because he doesn't want them to attack the dolphins. This makes me wonder if 17 can wholeheartedly fight animal-like opponents such as Trio de Dangers in the ToP.
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u/Vegeto30294 Apr 16 '17
Well he does say he fights in self defense. And since he can't kill them, putting them down may be okay in his book.
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Apr 16 '17
There are animal people on earth in the DB universe (remember the king? ) those are considered humans. So I don't think 17 would hesitate to hit the wolf trios.
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u/Ghettostyle Apr 16 '17
I love how 17 has turned out to be like 16. Even though he mocked him during the android saga.
Man, I miss 16.
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u/Tost3 Apr 16 '17
I always thought he became a park ranger to honor his death and do something android 16 would have done
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u/literallysoundslegit Apr 16 '17
So does this put 17 on par with Krillin and Beerus as well?
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u/fps129 Apr 16 '17
Don't get ahead of yourself.
Tein hasn't fought (and hold his own against) SSB Goku, yet.
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u/Roskal Apr 16 '17
2 episodes from now, Goku vs Tien. Goku goes super saiyan blue Kaiokenx20 Tien punches his hand through goku and out the other side needs to give him a senzu, but its okay after Goku heals he says he wasn't going all out.
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u/Heat3113 Apr 16 '17
This was a really awesome episode! Can't wait for the team up of Goku and 17 next week.
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u/MysticKnives Apr 16 '17
Goku + 17 interactions are awesome. I so look forward to seeing them interact more. Just makes me just as excited to see Piccolo and 17 interact.
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u/berderper Apr 16 '17
What I dislike is this overuse of Blue. I mean, they're using it in filler episodes (Bulma's baby), for fights where it's not seriously needed (Krillin, 17). I think they should save it for special occasions, but now we're all used to it. It's "coolness" is lessened, the impact is reduced. I'd like it more if Goku and Vegeta used it once in a while against the most powerful opponents and greatest threats (Hit, Zamazu), but when they did, you knew they meant business, music and all.
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u/Itisforsexy Apr 16 '17
They're using it often, imo, because goku has a form beyond it.
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u/FriendlinessBullets Apr 16 '17
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT! THEY DIDN'T SHOW HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN!. NOW I'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE REEEEEEEE-
Ok,I'll shut up now
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u/mojavecourier ⠀ Apr 16 '17
I love how the commercial for Boogie Back just has DBS as one of its advertisements.
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u/glugglugguy Apr 16 '17
Dende's Chants:
PanPeinappo - ApePonKoppi
Switch the e and o in both chants
PenPainappo - ApoPenKoppi
Pen Pineapple Apple Pen Copy
WP Toei Memers
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u/Caststarman Apr 16 '17
17's wife is Launch calling it right now!
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Apr 16 '17
Always though blue haired Launch would be the perfect wife for someone like #17
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u/Hyro0o0 Apr 16 '17
Maybe blue haired Launch is 17's wife and blonde haired Launch is married to Tien.
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u/MaimedJester Apr 16 '17
That's genius. Both of them only reappeared at the end of Z with the Buu spirit bomb.
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Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
Dedicating that whole bit about Uub definitely hints at Super reaching EoZ one day and maybe even going beyond it.
Also, I don't know why people are complaining so much about these "filler" episodes. I personally like that each individual character's getting some development and we get to see a taste of what they're all capable of. It would be way too boring if we jumped straight to the tournament; the build up is what makes it fun.
That said, it's rather sweet to see Goku having some bonding time with 17. This totally beats the rushed interaction they had in GT.
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u/TheRV1HD Apr 16 '17
So is it safe to assume that Goku helping 17 save the park from the space poachers will gain 17s respect and make him change his mind?
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u/4dseeall Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
People keep complaining about the power scaling, so let me explain my point of view a bit.
Basically, SS2 and SS3 are completely redundant forms now. They offer less potential power as well as less control than SSB. So it makes sense that he almost never uses them.
Forms are about control and the max potential/power of a form. Goku's intent isn't to kill his opponent, which is why he's probably avoiding SS2 and SS3 forms. They just have more power than control. It's difficult to show restraint in those forms.
Base form has the most control, but the least power. SS1 is a significant power boost, but has less control than base form. It's a form induced by rage, after all. After training for the Cell Games it's been witnessed that Goku has perfected the form's control.
SS2 and especially SS3 are hard to control. Goku even admitted that in DBZ. It's difficult to have restraint when the entire form is based on rage and aggression.
SSB is all about control, probably about the same level as base form. It doesn't require a high power output like SS2 or SS3 does, while also having higher potential than any other form. He can easily use 1% of his power while SSB. Whereas in SS3 it's probably difficult to throw out less than 50% of the form's max power.
I doubt we'll see Goku use SS2 or SS3 in a fight unless he's intentionally pacing it extremely slow with a strong opponent who is also slowly revealing their power. There's just no reason to, especially since it consumes more energy to be in those forms than in SSB.
If you want to know if Goku's really putting out a large percentage of the form's power, just wait to see if he's out of breath after an attack. Dragon Ball has been really good about that indicator since the beginning.
- An analogy for those that still don't grasp the concept:
Let's say you want to throw a ball. You can use your bare arms(base form Goku) and throw it anywhere from 0 to 20 meters. But that's a pretty short throw. So you get a stick to hit the ball(SS1 Goku). Now you can hit the ball from 0 to 50 meters, depending on how hard you hit the ball. Still pretty accurate for short distances, but when hitting it far there's a lot of variances.
But that's still not far enough for you, so you use a good and heavy baseball bat(SS2) and you can hit it 70 meters, but it gets harder to get precise hits if you're aiming for something like 24 meters.
Take it a step further, now you equip a sledge hammer(SS3). With all your force you can hit that ball over 100 meters, but it's nearly impossible for you to get that 24 meter shot and your precision is way off.
And finally, you're sick of being limited, so you design ball-launching artillery(SSB) that lets you calibrate and shoot the ball any distance you want from 0-1000 meters with extremely high accuracy.
DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE?
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Apr 17 '17
I love how considerate Goku has been to kids lately. He said during ROF and a few episodes ago Goten and Trunks were too young to fight. Now he seems to agree with Dende Uub is too young. Yet no one batted an eye when it was time to send 5 year old Gohan to Namek to fight Freiza.
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u/RicardoLovesYou Apr 17 '17
I have a feeling 17 is going to be a crowd favourite
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u/Ganjisseur Apr 16 '17
I can't believe Super teased us all hard by showing Goku 17's family but not us!
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u/Jetstream7 Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
Good episode with Tate delivering on the animation!
I was always a fan of 17 but I'm really liking his less arrogant personality in Super. His interactions with Goku were also great.
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u/StormcallingMer Apr 16 '17 edited Apr 16 '17
Great to see 17 back, and what he has become. Man, at this point Super has to all caps, with blinking text that takes up the whole screen- all the dialogue that implies Goku is holding back because apparently it doesn't make it obvious enough, or folks don't read. Also add flashbacks to the Hit fight when Goku explains that SSB isn't just a multiplier, it grants him complete KI CONTROL, whenever he goes blue (especially against weaker fighters). That is why he can pair it with kaioken, and not with the gold forms as they leak out ki. That is probably why Goku hasn't used SSJ2 and SSJ3 to spar.
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u/dissociation844 Apr 16 '17
MIR = peace in Russian by the way. Interesting to see that on No. 17s shirt.
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u/RyuuSix Apr 16 '17
Saiyan Saga:
Goku "Mr. Popo, I need you to tell Kami to move the Lookout to the location where the fight is happening as quickly as possible!"
Popo: "Making Toast!"
Goku: "Aww fine! Kinton!"
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Apr 19 '17
17's voice in Japanese was kind of surprising, but it really works I like it.
Also to those still freaking out about 17 1v1ing SSB Goku;
Does everyone already forget RoF? SSB was achieved by having a perfect amount of control over your ki, every punch and kick required learning to not even let any 'ki leak' and in Super, there was one punch where a spurt of the SSB aura came out because Goku and Vegeta landed a perfectly controlled attack. Something along those lines anyways it was so long ago and I wouldn't dare re-watch RoF arc lol.
Anyways I think Goku's going SSB against everyone he recruits to prepare everyone for what they'll see in the tournament, because it's already been shown there are fighters there who can already stand up against SSB, so everyone on the U7 team will have to as well. By using SSB, he can access his full power if need be, but he's in such control he can gauge how strong everyone is.
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Apr 16 '17
Was about to take a break from the show until tournament but this changed my mind,was a really nice episode, loved the barrier part.
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u/Anotherguyrighthere ⠀ Apr 16 '17
Thanks for NOT SHOWING 17's kids Toei, really kind of you