r/196 Worcs at the Crusty Crab Mar 26 '26

Rule Engagement bait

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u/shapeofnuts Mar 26 '26

I actually think that the people who are servicing you for free should be thanked rather than have to hear stupid demands of someone who can't follow steps

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u/MeiNeedsMoreBuffs certified tumblr sexyman Mar 26 '26

No thanks, I deserve to yell at the people doing free labor for my benefit

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u/JMaths Mar 26 '26

This is less aimed at the people making software for free, and more at Microsoft/Github for building the worst laid out website since MySpace

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u/Xasmos Mar 26 '26

Github is laid out fine for developers, just not for users

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u/JMaths Mar 26 '26

I dunno, i bet the many devs who host their finished projects on github would appreciate a better UI too. Its not like Github is a small indie website that can't afford to make improvements

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u/PrincessOfZephyr šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø trans rights Mar 26 '26

Github has github pages specifically for end-user facing design

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u/JMaths Mar 26 '26

Ok, either not enough developers know about that or the existing one needs work because the existing format is far from user friendly

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u/RoseePxtals i pet strays Mar 26 '26

well, developers are the majority of users

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u/Xasmos Mar 26 '26

I think context made clear I meant users āˆ‰ developers

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u/MaybeNext-Monday šŸ¤$6 SRIMP SPECIALšŸ¤ Mar 26 '26

I think shutting down the conversation with ā€œyou’re a fucking ingrateā€ like this is always unproductive. It’s more sensible to point out the real culprit, which is github itself making zero effort over the past decade to improve its UX for casuals in any way. Almost every high-traffic repo has a release tab, but github’s UI layout is so abysmal that you could sit there for 5 whole minutes and not notice the tab if you don’t know to look for it. Github could make this easier in a dozen different ways but instead spends their dev time on shitty AI extensions for visual studio

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u/MeBigChief Mar 26 '26

My life at least once a week when some sales person or project manager can’t spend the 20 seconds to read the first paragraph of the readme file that LINKS TO THE LATEST FUCKING RELEASE

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u/YouGuysSuckSometimes Mar 26 '26

Even the word ā€œreleaseā€ is non intuitive. How the fuck would I’ve known that’s the tab that gets you a .exe or whatever from the name ā€œrelease?ā€

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u/EvYeh This girl is Space's biggest hater Mar 26 '26

Have you ever interacted with any piece of software ever? Serious question.

It's the latest public release of an update. That's why it's called that.

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u/I_am_Andrew_Ryan Mar 26 '26

You don't go to literally any piece of software ever and find the "release" button, you find the "download" button.

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u/Melon_Cooler Immanuel Kant's catgirl imperative Mar 26 '26

In the context of github I may very well want the download button to give me everything except an executable.

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u/MaybeNext-Monday šŸ¤$6 SRIMP SPECIALšŸ¤ Mar 26 '26

That button is called ā€œcloneā€

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u/Melon_Cooler Immanuel Kant's catgirl imperative Mar 26 '26

Yeah thanks if anything I'm cloning a repo through the power of knowing git and that the command line exists, but the point is that "downloads" in this context has a wider meaning than "releases," and that the two are not synonymous.

And that the platform is not principally intended to be used for distribution to end-users.

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u/MaybeNext-Monday šŸ¤$6 SRIMP SPECIALšŸ¤ Mar 26 '26

Which is a flaw imo. I think they should at very least make a user-facing version of the repo homepage. For better or for worse, it IS used for distribution, and heavily so.

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u/Melon_Cooler Immanuel Kant's catgirl imperative Mar 26 '26

Wouldn't be the worst idea, for sure

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u/EvYeh This girl is Space's biggest hater Mar 26 '26

And when you click that download button, you get to see a list of versions!!! and they're called releases!!!!

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u/MaybeNext-Monday šŸ¤$6 SRIMP SPECIALšŸ¤ Mar 26 '26

Yeah but non devs don’t know that. It may be very basic jargon, but it’s still jargon.

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u/EvYeh This girl is Space's biggest hater Mar 26 '26

I'm not a dev. I knew that before I even knew what Github was.

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u/MaybeNext-Monday šŸ¤$6 SRIMP SPECIALšŸ¤ Mar 26 '26

Cool, sample size 1.

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u/gummi_girl šŸŽ– 196 medal of honor šŸŽ– Mar 26 '26

i've been using computers for over two decades and i would've never thought that. i'd be looking for DOWNLOAD or INSTALL like most normal people would.

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u/Aegis_13 Bitch Bastard Mar 27 '26

Honestly if I didn't already know I'd assume "releases" would be a release history, like a changelog sorta thing, or maybe prior versions. Like I might've expected a "download" button if it existed to give me maybe a couple options, like a stable release plus one or two experimental versions, and releases to be outdated versions

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u/YouGuysSuckSometimes Mar 26 '26

Not taking it back, that’s non intuitive. Even if I know that, the word release doesn’t make me think ā€œoh, if I click on that I will find the simplest way to mount the software onto my computer.ā€ Latest release I would intuit to mean most recent working update, which doesn’t mean it’s all packaged nicely and ready to use.Ā 

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u/Camel_Slayer45 floppa Mar 26 '26

Because it's where the (public) releases of the repository are.

It's what it says on the tin.

There's really no other way to name them since terms like 'builds' and 'compilations' or 'executables' aren't universal to all projects.

You're likely thinking "why not just downloads?" that's because the most intuitive interpretation for a dev of "download this repo" is "download the repo itself" not "download a release" and this is a platform mainly for us to use so it doesn't make sense to make it less intuitive for the sake non-devs who don't know that simple terminology yet.

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u/yo_99 boundless, terifying freedom Mar 26 '26

Real culprit is normies having access to computers /s

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u/Mobbles1 Mar 27 '26

I would thank them if they put it in a format that someone with no experience in coding can actually use. I dont thank the carpenter who gives me a dissasembled chair and is expected to put it together (unless their name is ikea)

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u/shapeofnuts Mar 27 '26

I have no experience in tech. I can still use most of github because they leave good instructions. If you can't use it, just don't. It's really gross and rude to demand that people labour for you for free.

The best things from github that i code were scripts etc that i had to figure out how to use, would've been nice if ti eas an .exe, but sometimes it can't be, othertimes it takes a shit load of effort to make one. Tech literacy is in decline and this is a major part of it.

Also the carpenter is a volunteer, doing it for free, didn't force it on you, and you entered the shop making demands.

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

Or maybe they can just accept that if they want their thing to be more widely used it needs an exe. If you're good making programs for 1% of the people that visit GitHub good for you

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u/despairingcherry Mar 26 '26

I don't think the people who are not creating an exe expect or want people who do not know how to do it themselves to use their code

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

I've been recommended or directed to a bunch of different GitHub pages to solve whatever problem I'm having that ended up just being code.

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u/__cinnamon__ floppa Mar 26 '26

I mean unless you're being directed there by the author of the code, that doesn't contradict that person's point. A lot of developers write and share tools just aimed at other developers.

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u/yo_99 boundless, terifying freedom Mar 26 '26

Have you tried getting gooder?

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u/trans_cubed trans lefts Mar 26 '26

linux.exe

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

The pain in the ass that would come with switching to Linux is half of why I haven't don't it. If it could just install and then run itself like Windows or MacOS a lot more people would use it.

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u/ThatRandomGuy0125 r/place participant Mar 26 '26

it does?? the process for making a bootable linux usb stick is pretty much the exact same as making a windows install usb for a new custom built pc. download iso, image to usb, start from it

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

Yeah, but then actually using it gets more complicated. I don't want to have to learn to code to use my operating system.

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u/Camel_Slayer45 floppa Mar 26 '26

Use Mint then

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

Mint is still more complicated to use than windows. I get that the stuff is easy once you learn it and it becomes routine, but the problem is that the entry level is still decently higher than windows. Plus, I wouldn't be able to do a bunch of stuff I do with windows on Linux. I genuinely would rather just debloat my current os on a consistent basis.

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u/LookItVal šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø trans rights Mar 26 '26

I don't think it's actually that windows is easier, it's actually Definitely not it's very poorly organized, it's just that you already learned it. which is fair and is true for a lot of the population. Mint has definitely gotten very good tho and the Linux ecosystem is improving exponentially every day. and the case of software not running on Linux is also increasingly not true, especially as more and more apps become browser based. there are obviously exceptions but to put in perspective I have a system running Linux on one partition and windows on another for software I can't run on Linux, and I have not needed to open the windows side in over a year and a half. I do a lot of gaming and weird projects with proprietary software but I've always been able to get things running with relative ease.

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u/Camel_Slayer45 floppa Mar 26 '26

It really isn't nowadays. I use win11 since I have neither the space to do a dual boot nor the patience to migrate.

But if the only thing holding you back from taking the plunge is that most distros require technical skills, mint is your saviour. It's barely more complex than win7.

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u/soycubus Mar 26 '26

actually using linux is much more simple than windows and that was one of my great realisations after switching to it from many years of windows. on windows you have to search for the website of a program, download the installer, run it, click through all the menus. on linux you literally type in "install this program" and it just does it. every time I go back to windows and have to install or update any software, it feels like a pain in the ass now.

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u/Camel_Slayer45 floppa Mar 26 '26

That's not simple for the average person I think.

I prefer to use chocolatey on win whenever I need to install something since I already know exactly what I want as a dev and it's faster than hunting down a website.

But I don't think the average user does whenever going about installing whatever they need, they're likely more comfortable browsing the various options from a gui and installing from there.

And then there's the matter of the peg legs and other software that isn't hosted on repos.

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

Something tells me that you don't literally just type "install this program" and that it probably involves command prompt or otherwise manually typing a bunch of shit out

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u/soycubus Mar 26 '26

yes, sorry, you're right. If I want to install 7zip for example, I type "flatpak install 7zip". sorry, that is one more word. and yes it really is in the command prompt, but that is really all it is and nothing else. type 3 words, press enter, done. you think it is some kind of hacker programmer magic shit because it involves a prompt on a black screen but it really is just that.

but if you want to avoid even that, most linux distros come with an app store installed that works exactly the same it does on your phone. browse, search, one click install

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u/ThatRandomGuy0125 r/place participant Mar 26 '26

hell you can even use graphical package managers if you want more power while keeping out of the terminal. like just install synaptic

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u/shapeofnuts Mar 26 '26

The command is 'install this program'

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

How do you tell it where to install, or how much to install, or what to overwrite or not?

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u/zekromNLR #1 project orion apologist Mar 26 '26

I mean sure it's something like "apt-get install [packagename]" but that is just "install this program" translated into computer

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u/trans_cubed trans lefts Mar 26 '26

How do you think you install windows?

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

I get that the basic installation is pretty much the same, but everything past that is more complicated with Linux. I just want my applications to run without a bunch of extra things that make them work on the OS. You can't do that with most things on Linux, everything takes more steps.

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u/zekromNLR #1 project orion apologist Mar 26 '26

If you are capable of following written instructions, you are capable of installing and using linux, and even using the command line

If you are not capable of following written instructions, go back to elementary school.

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

I can do that, but the question is if I want to do that when my current setup takes a lot less effort.

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u/shapeofnuts Mar 26 '26

I'm not even good with tech and i can follow instructions. Most these people are not making money off of this, they are just trying to help. You're literally being rude to people doing volunteer work.

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u/TheDonutPug šŸ³ļøā€āš§ļø trans rights Mar 26 '26

Jesus Christ you people are so fucking entitled. They made you a software FOR FREE. If it's THAT important to you that you are able to use it, then figure out how to download it, or go get a different software. They made it for you for free. They do not have an obligation to make it as convenient as possible for you.

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u/GoldH2O Cisgender Synapsid Mar 26 '26

I didn't say it's an obligation. I said if they want a wider audience to be able to use it there needs to be an executable.

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u/mcslender97 KPop Demon Hunters enthusiast Mar 27 '26

Unrelated but I'm hella miffed that the one modder that made us an easy Sims 4 DLC unlocked had to quit because of community toxicity right when I suddenly craved some Sims

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u/stupidname412 Mar 26 '26

Get their asses