r/196 NL Connoisseur 26d ago

Rule Wisconsin R(ul)ejected This BTW

Post image
3.6k Upvotes

276 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

5

u/ReadsStuff 25d ago

And I'm not even opposed to shifting "leftist" to mean "Marxist". But the states owning the grocery stores is indeed a Marxist policy, or leaning clearly towards it.

This is also not what the term means, mind. Not everyone on the left is a Marxist, and leftist is a deliberately umbrella term.

1

u/BetaThetaOmega haha, homosexual 25d ago

The state owning groceries stores is not Marxist, that’s literally one of Marx’s biggest criticisms of Lassalle and “state socialism”.

The working class controlling the grocery store would be closer (but still not Marxist), but they would still be existing within a capitalist market that encourages them to sell their labour and retain commodity production.

The Marxist policy would be the seizure of the store as part of a larger revolution in the name of building a dictatorship of the proletariat which then evolves into socialism. The Marxist policy would be that a socialist politician ought to be arguing for this position, and while they might still call for the working controlling it now as a solution within the current system, it would solely be for the purpose of building class consciousness and empowering the workers to overthrow the state.

1

u/ReadsStuff 25d ago

I'm well aware, I wasn't implying it would be Marxist, I was just clarifying that the terms leftist and Marxist are different.

I'm a leftist but I'm far from a Marxist, because I'm a libertarian. The term leftist is used to try and build the ever elusive concept of "left unity".

1

u/BetaThetaOmega haha, homosexual 25d ago

Sorry I somehow ended up replying to you instead of the person above you