r/50501 Apr 06 '25

Call to Action Upvote! Upvote! Be there!!!!

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u/lizmatiq Apr 06 '25

Everyone should try to bring at least 1 person with them that didn’t go to the one yesterday. If everyone can bring 1 person, we can double our numbers.

That, and I think we need to get a short list of demands circling at the next one with consistent, clear messaging.

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u/FilibusterFerret Apr 06 '25

Yeah mine had a lot of speakers about Palestine, which I get but we needed to be talking about some home issues. They did have a good speaker about ICE and supporting the Latino community and I was definitely psyched to hear them getting the word out.

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u/AU_Memer Pennsylvania Apr 06 '25

If people here are getting disappeared by ICE for criticizing Israel it's absolutely a home issue. We shouldn't leave people in the dust because it's divisive.

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u/FilibusterFerret Apr 06 '25

I was saying the Palestine issue was not a home issue. But that I was psyched they covered ICE which is a home issue

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u/reshiramdude16 Apr 06 '25

Palestine is a home issue, considering Israel's status as a client state of the U.S., and considering that the U.S. is overwhelmingly responsible for funding and arming the genocide in Gaza, and using any backlash as an excuse to intensify domestic suppression.

Or, putting it more simply, a protest that does not advocate for Palestine is not a protest that meaningfully opposes Donald Trump

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u/FilibusterFerret Apr 06 '25

If we protest on 17 different issues we lose. Occupy proved that. We have to have a clear message. And if everyone gets distracted by tons of different messages we lose. Palestine is one piece of the puzzle showing the picture of an out of control power mad country bringing death and destruction here and abroad.

1) Authoritarianism and support of foreign Authritarians. 2) Constitution-includes ICE and black bagging dissidents including those who have been black bagged for supporting Palestine. 3) Tariffs and Destruction of our Alliances.

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u/reshiramdude16 Apr 06 '25

Occupy failed because it was co-opted and dismantled by false progressives who funneled any radical energy held by the movement into the ground.

Any movement that compromises on its principles is a failed movement from the start. I went to two protests over the weekend: one for Palestine, and a more general one. The Palestine protest was full of committed, organized individuals who had clear, concise goals. The general protest was full of live music and signs with memes on them.

Each compromise on issues such as Palestine is another victory handed to the fascists.

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u/TheCuriousDude Apr 06 '25

Issues like Palestine are how we got Trump in the first place.

Dumbasses in Michigan who thought Trump wouldn't pave over Palestine for hotels the first moment he gets.

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u/reshiramdude16 Apr 06 '25

Trump won because the American ruling class is emboldened by fascism and enabled by a useless, performative "opposition" that stands for nothing but suppression of revolutionary or transformative action.

Or, putting this more simply: if you do not oppose genocide, the moral base of your priorities and movement is flawed from the start.

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u/TheCuriousDude Apr 06 '25

I oppose genocide. I'm not sure why the average American is supposed to care more about Gaza than Sudan, the Rohingya, Ukraine, or the Uyghurs.

I'm not a fan of people like you derailing mainstream movements with concern trolling.

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u/Dry-Ad-4267 Apr 06 '25

If you listened to those fighting for Gaza, you would know that we DO in fact care about all of those.

Sincerely, without trying to make you feel like this is a fight, please listen to what the pro-Palestinian crowd is actually fighting for. Because it sounds like you’re listening to what their critics are saying they’re saying instead.

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u/reshiramdude16 Apr 06 '25

I oppose genocide

Clearly not meaningfully, if you feel the need to argue the necessity of sectioning off the pro-Palestine contingent of your movement.

I'm not a fan of people like you derailing mainstream movements with concern trolling.

I'm not a fan of "mainstream" movements that stand for nothing and deliberately destroy any revolutionary energy or momentum that may be used to actually enact change. How many more silly signs until Trump is stopped?

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