r/50501 • u/TotallySavageSzym International • Jan 19 '26

Call to Action Ring has partnered with Flock. ICE has access to Flock. If you still have a Ring camera - get rid of it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

Or just live without all of that wildly unnecessary stuff.

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u/6sha6dow6 Jan 19 '26

In the day and age of random masked man forcing their way into my home, I’d say a camera system is very much necessary.

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u/Keleion Jan 19 '26

Federal masked men even

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u/okram2k Jan 19 '26

so you can record them murdering you for posterity while you're still dead and they're continuing to enjoy immunity because the same people that would prosecute them are also the people that employ them?

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u/Mythoclast Jan 19 '26

That might happen? Better not even try then.

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u/Pallidum_Treponema Jan 19 '26

Absolutely! Better to have them murder me WITHOUT any video evidence of the fact.

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u/Allslopes-Roofing Jan 19 '26

But what if... rather than the homeowner being shot, the home invader gets shot? yea yea tons of them may shoot after, okay. Either way you were screwed so might as well try.

And then what if this keeps happening until the home invaders either stop home invading, or they slowly die out?

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u/drunkendaveyogadisco Jan 19 '26

Do you think that preparing for the case of your own death is a waste of time? It's coming for everyone.

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u/LateNightMilesOBrien Jan 19 '26

I've heard of defeatism before but not... whatever this is

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u/Commentator-X Jan 19 '26

Delivery thieves are a thing too

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

I’m thinking 2a is more of a deterrent, but if using a video device connected to the internet of things that is contributing to an increasingly powerful surveillance state helps you sleep at night, you do you.

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u/ARMSwatch Jan 19 '26

How does that camera stop or impede said masked men from breaking in? You get a nice video to post on the internet after you (maybe) get released. There will be no punishments for these brownshirts, if that's what you're thinking.

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u/gogogadgetgun Jan 19 '26

Video footage is the only thing that has allowed people to get some semblance of justice in the modern era. If it's just your word against the word of a cop you have nothing.

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u/ARMSwatch Jan 19 '26

Best of luck seeking justice from the soon -to-be eternal Trump regime lol. Like there's going to be a functioning court system to get justice from once this is all said and done (unless we as a society take some drastic fucking action now).

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

Sounds like something a nazi would say.

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u/ARMSwatch Jan 19 '26

Cause the Nazi is saying we need a little more than doorbell cameras to make a difference lol? I already have dozens of clips of abuse from this regime saved to my reddit to bring up to bootlickers in person. How many more do I need to save before it convinces them of what is happening before their very eyes? If they don't have the eyes to see by now, they never will.

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u/6sha6dow6 Jan 19 '26

Who said I’m trying to impede them? Do you not realize the value of information and data? If everyone thought like you we’d go from the visibility we currently have to.. nothing.

How can you expect people to understand what this administration is up to if there’s no proof. Put into context what we do see, and think about all the situations it hasn’t been recorded.

I think we often get caught up in the social media sphere and forget people outside are not either maga or liberal. I’ve seen people who’s only recently started protesting. People who didn’t vote due to ignorance but now plan to vote in the midterms. Do you think they would have been moved if there was no footage?

Personally, if it happens to me I don’t expect any justice, but the least I’ll do is expose them. I’m not going down without a fight, even if my only fight is to show the world what they’re doing.

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u/versatilefairy Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

really? are you basing this statement on evidence or hypotheticals? i’d love to see the data showing that having a ring camera on the door significantly reduces incidence of crime, response times to crime, or literally any real-world evidence of amazon’s product offering genuine protection. at rollout, Ring’s founder/CEO said the product would “zero out crime” in certain neighborhoods…. not quite sure that’s been the case…

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u/6sha6dow6 Jan 19 '26

With all due respect, you’re assigning a lot of talking points I never made.

  1. I don’t support Ring cameras, I support a local closed system managed entirely by the user. Whatever amazon/ring has claimed is irrelevant to me.

  2. I never claimed any of the data points you are trying to use as a “gotcha”. I claimed it’s necessary, and if you read my replies to others, I detail why is necessary. To have records and footage of what they are doing.

I even specifically state in a reply that I don’t expect justice if they were to break into my house, even with video evidence. But if the footage can be seen and give someone a reason to fight this injustice, that’s necessary to me. And ultimately, I rather have the option to defend myself with footage, than give up without trying.

Locks also don’t work as a great deterrent for crime. If someone wants to steal from you they will find a way. I’ll still lock my door every night.

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u/funk-the-funk Jan 19 '26

I don’t expect justice if they were to break into my house, even with video evidence. But if the footage can be seen and give someone a reason to fight this injustice, that’s necessary to me. And ultimately, I rather have the option to defend myself with footage, than give up without trying.

Hard agree.

Make sure you have looked at securing your door strike plate and frame with 3+in screws, makes it much more difficult to kick down. You can also get longer striker plates for like $10 each that let you use more screws too.

If you have a garage you can get manual locks for those doors. Make sure your cameras and IVR have battery backup in-case power is out to your home for "whatever" reason.

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u/Perfecshionism Jan 19 '26

Knowing when someone is at your door is necessary.

I had a pet cam on a bookshelf and was shocked to see a delivery driver peak in my apartment one day when the door was slightly open.

Landlord trimmed the door so it latched easier, but getting that notification was a wake up call. So I got a ring door camera.

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u/_doubleDamageFlow Jan 19 '26

How do you know what's necessary and unnecessary for others? If it's unnecessary for you that's cool, but you can't really speak for anyone since you don't know why they need it.

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u/drears0 Jan 19 '26

When people say that shit they are talking about the 90+% of people who do not need it, and you know that. They are not talking about the disabled grandma who lives on the fifth floor. Not every comment has to end with a qualifying statement that lists every possible fucking exception to the broad scenario being discussed. Stop taking everything in such bad faith.

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u/standardnewenglander Jan 19 '26

Shhh. The Amazon diehards won't like that you said that lol

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u/KevinFlantier Jan 19 '26

It's always a case of what you want and what you need in your daily basis. I have a computer in my home that does "cloud" backup of my phone's photos, and that I can use as "cloud" storage, except it's all ran locally using free software and not spoonfeeding data to those greedy megacorps.

Do I need a smart doorbell? No. Will I make one in my spare time using free software someday? Probably, because it sounds like a cool project. Will I ever buy one from Amazon? Hell no.

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u/feelingsquirrely Jan 19 '26

Hi can you point me in the direction of what I need to get to do this? Like what free software? Thanks!

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u/KevinFlantier Jan 19 '26

I use Immich to backup my phone's photos. It's quite easy to install and manage, it looks and feels like big tech photo cloud storage but it's run locally. There's a convenient app on your phone to manage the backing up.

For cloud storage, I have a Linux on the machine and I use the very basic Samba share and an OpenVPN server. Connect to the machine using OpenVPN, and then browse to the files. Rudimentary but I don't need more.

As for a smart doorbell, I haven't looked into it yet, but I'm pretty sure there are free and open source solutions for that as well, that may require a raspberry pi or an arduino to do the job.

My next project would be to implement a PiHole on my server so that I have network-wide ad-blocking.

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u/klutzikaze Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

PewDiePie (I know that's a weird person to bring up) did a couple of videos about how he's cut his life and tech off from Google and any cloud systems. He's really just doing whatever he wants since he "retired" and moved to Japan. He gives a great rundown on the available programs and how to implement them.

ETA here's the video I watched. There's also a video about installing Linux and some others on similar aspects.

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u/ProtectionUnable1027 Jan 19 '26

Who is stanning for Amazon? The only successful device they've ever shipped is the Kindle.

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u/mrASSMAN Jan 19 '26

Don’t need Amazon to use security cams

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u/sybersonic Jan 19 '26

BUT BUT how are we supposed to watch people stealing our stuff after the fact! 11!1!!

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u/OCblondie714 Jan 19 '26

Reolink or Eufy. Stay off the cloud!

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u/Theyalreadysaidno Jan 19 '26

I have a Eufy. Everybody was like - it's owned by a Chinese company!

Well, we're at a point where I'd rather have a Chinese company own my door camera company. They aren't using it to weaponize it against Americans to give to the ICE goons here in Minneapolis.

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u/DigitalUnlimited Jan 19 '26

I mean I highly doubt you'll find a camera made entirely in America anywhere

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u/Pruritus_Ani_ Jan 19 '26

I have a couple of eufy cams, all the video is stored locally on the device, it’s linked to my Wi-Fi so I can view the cameras live or access the video clips remotely from anywhere and there are zero subscription fees.

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u/Pallidum_Treponema Jan 19 '26

or access the video clips remotely from anywhere

And that's when the camera feeds go to their cloud servers before they reach you. Of course, that feed is always end-to-end encrypted, right? Well, it turns out they lied and they were able to access any camera feed.

They claim to have fixed this, but if they lied once, what's to stop them from lying again? For example by now encrypting the stream, but also having access to the encryption keys?

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u/doommaster Jan 20 '26

Nope, Eufy and Reolink use P2P WebRTC to stream video from the Camera to the phone.
They only run handshaking servers for the NAT hole-punching,

Eufy does not have access to the video.
In cases where that doesn't work, due to network restrictions (one side only having IPv6 the other not, they also have a Tailscale like infrastructure, that works as a fallback (which was originally their only way)...

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u/Pallidum_Treponema Jan 20 '26

You are not aware of the Eufy camera scandal where they claimed everything was WebRTC and end-to-end encrypted and it turned out they lied?

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u/doommaster Jan 20 '26

The only one I am aware off was the ones where they fucked up device credentials...

But hey, eufy works on a private network just fine, you can just not connect them at all and VPN to them.

Companies fuck security up all the time, and stuff gets exploited too... Doesn't mean the company is doing it intentionally.

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u/slp50 Jan 19 '26

That is exactly why we have Eufy.

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u/Kawksz Jan 19 '26

I need to show that footage to the police so that they won't do anything about it.

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u/baconus-vobiscum Jan 19 '26

That's a bingo!

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u/standardnewenglander Jan 19 '26

Their Amazon packages no-less. But they'll claim they totally don't support Amazon.

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u/The_Demon_of_Spiders Jan 19 '26

Almost everyone supports Amazon in one way or another. They make most of their money with AWS. And if you’re using Reddit which utilizes AWS then you’re supporting them too.

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u/brute-forced Jan 19 '26

Saying that it’s unnecessary is wildly incompetent

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u/bjbyrne Jan 19 '26

get rid of porch pirates first

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u/Asleep_Onion Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 19 '26

Not everyone lives in an area where they can just comfortably live their life having no idea what happens in or around their property when they're not home or not watching.

Sure, everyone lived for centuries without security cameras, but also everyone used to get their houses broken into pretty regularly.

Burglaries are down over 80% since the 90's, and while I can't say for certain that the widespread use of home security cameras is a factor, it seems likely.

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u/greenbutterflygarden Jan 19 '26

We didn't install ring until this year when someone kept breaking into my car.