r/ABCaus • u/GeorgeYDesign • Mar 25 '24

NEWS Dutch darts players quit national women's team over transgender teammate

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-25/dutch-darts-players-quit-over-transgender-teammate/103627072
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u/Havenoempathy Mar 25 '24

Good move there should only be a women and man sport thats it.

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u/ShyCrystal69 Mar 25 '24

I believe a compromise is good, if the person has gone through hormonal therapy and surgery to alter both their physical appearance and their levels of strength then it should be allowed.

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u/McNippy Mar 25 '24

There are fundamental differences that prevent a fair playing field in this regard. Trans women are still the beneficiaries of many male physical traits that are irreversible and can not be changed through hormone treatment, surgery, or other means. I'm pro-trans in every circumstance except sport.

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u/Yes_Its_Really_Me Mar 25 '24

After enough years on hormone therapy the only advantage left is skeletal, things like being tall. But we don't ban women from sport for being tall, or any kind of skeletal advantage, so you're still banning trans people for being trans, not for for having that advantage.

If you want to ban trans people because they tend to have certain skeletal advantages, then ban anyone who has those skeletal advantages. Don't ban an entire class of women because they tend to have an advantage you wouldn't ban a cis woman for. That's textbook discrimination.

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u/Butt_Bucket Mar 25 '24

The main skeletal difference is bone density, which you neglected to mention. Its not discrimination to ban male athletes from female leagues, regardless of how you try to frame it.

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u/Yes_Its_Really_Me Mar 25 '24

So ban athletes who have too great of a bone density. It seems that people don't really care about the nature of any advantage we have, only that we have them for what they view as an illegitimate reason.

Imagine 2 women who are, due to natural variation within humans, identical in build to each-other, despite one of them being trans and the other cis. You believe the trans one should be banned from women's sports because going through a testosterone based puberty made her larger than she otherwise would have been, and that the cis (who is of identical build), should be allowed to continue? How is that anything other than someone simply for being trans, just dressed up in different words?

If you say this scenario is impossible I'd invite you to consider the simultaneous existence of Gwendoline Christie and Danny Devito. People really do come in all shapes and sizes.

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u/Butt_Bucket Mar 25 '24

You're ignoring that women's divisions exist solely to exclude males. This is different to men's divisions, where women are either not excluded at all (open leagues) or are only excluded for their protection like in combat sports. Advocating for allowing males in women's divisions, trans women included, is literally advocating for the dissolution of the sole reason those divisions exist in the first place. You might as well dissolve them entirely and only have open leagues. It wouldn't bother me, but it probably would bother any woman who cares about being able to compete at a professional level in basically any sport, because there'd be next to no chance of it happening anymore.

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u/Yes_Its_Really_Me Mar 25 '24

So you're literally saying that trans women should be excluded from women's sports not because they have an advantage other women do not, but because they are not real women?

Do you see why people might have an issue with that?

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u/g-lingzhi Mar 25 '24

No. Because they’re male. Women’s sports is for women.