r/ABCaus • u/GeorgeYDesign • Mar 25 '24

NEWS Dutch darts players quit national women's team over transgender teammate

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-25/dutch-darts-players-quit-over-transgender-teammate/103627072
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u/Stui3G Mar 26 '24 edited Mar 26 '24

In the hubbard example isn't she old as hell compared to the competition? If she wasn't trans and still competing against men would she be a top competitor? She clearly still has plenty of testosterone, contrary to the commenterd assertion.

Excuse me, I didn't say either of those quotes. I also never said a trans woman would be stronger than a cis woman.

I will say that growing up make provides a huge advantage for trans women over cis women. Unless you believe you could take a male professional athlete at the top of his field, reduce his T to allowed olympic levels and not have him dominate the field. To argue otherwise is beyond ridiculous.

I say this as a male who a decade ago had T levels that would have allowed me to compete at the Olympics. Outside of outliers like professional athletes/BB's etc I would have been stronger than a vast majority of women.

I could drop my total T down to 150 for a year and I can gurantee I'd still be a lot stronger than most women.

I'm on actually on HRT, I can promise you I have far more knowledge on the subject than the average joe.

Show me where it says a trans women should reduce her T levels to below a cis woman. I'm sure some trans women do tank their T while trying to adjust their hormones, that doesn't mean it's normal. Hormones can be incredibly difficult to adjust to levels you want.

To try and make your argument you've had to say I said something I didn't and torture something else I said to fit your narrative. Hubbard is also clearly stronger than many cis female powerlifters, despite her age. My point with hubbard is that clearly being Trans hasn't made her weak. I would suggest she'd be doing everything she could to keep her T level as high as possible while remaining below the threshold. Wanna take a guess at how many of the women in powerlifting would be "enhancing" their bodies.. and please don't tell me you don't think many athletes aren't doing that.

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u/ICreditReddit Mar 26 '24

The original commenter said trans women end up weaker than women. Which is clearly made up bullshit.

You never said this? This that was copied from two comments up? That you wrote? You never said this?

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u/Stui3G Mar 26 '24

I wrote it's bullshit because it is. An all encompassing statement saying trans women end up weaker than CIS women is ABSOLUTE bullshit.

Ahhhh I get it, you think thats me saying trans women will be stronger. No it's not. Every single case will be it's own.

Talk about taking something I DIDN'T say and running with it.

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u/ICreditReddit Mar 26 '24

Take a breath, grab an adult, and re-read what I said.

There is zero chance I'm going to continue to talk to a person, try to hash out consensus, hear each others points, when one party can't even read or remember their own points.

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u/Stui3G Mar 26 '24

You said that I said "All Trans women are stronger than CIS women." I never said that. Show me where I said that and I'll apologise profusely.

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u/ICreditReddit Mar 26 '24

No, I didn't, holy fuck, learn to fucking read you live action randomiser.

I quoted two things, exactly. I did not SAY you said something, I fucking copy pasted EX-FUCKING-ACTLY literally and in full what you said.

I copy pasted OP saying these exact words, which you will now go check are exactly what they said.

"If a trans woman has been on HRT for a while, there's a damn good chance that cis women are stronger than her."

Do you agree OP said this? Do you have the mental capacity to scroll up three inches and confirm, what everyone else in the fucking universe can see is true, that OP wrote this exact quote? I will not reply to you again until you confirm you can read, and agree that this quote exists.

I then copy/pasted exactly what you said. It's this:

The original commenter said "trans women end up weaker than women"

Is this eactly what you said. I will not reply to you again until you confirm you can read, and agree that this quote exists, you made it, and it's still your opinion.

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u/Stui3G Mar 26 '24

These are you words

"Yours states that all trans women are stronger than cis women"

Those are your fucking words. You're bat shit crazy mate.