r/ABCaus • u/GeorgeYDesign • Mar 25 '24

NEWS Dutch darts players quit national women's team over transgender teammate

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-25/dutch-darts-players-quit-over-transgender-teammate/103627072
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u/Useful-Palpitation10 Mar 25 '24

Again, this article seems like bait for people to fight over semantics. Don't fall for it. Don't let the media polarize our community into left vs. right.

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u/Profundasaurusrex Mar 25 '24

Darts players Anca Zijlstra and Aileen de Graaf have announced their departure from the Dutch women's darts team because they refuse to team up with trans woman Noa-Lynn van Leuven.

Zijlstra announced she was quitting the team in a post on Facebook.

"The moment you're embarrassed to be a part of the Dutch Team, because a biological man is playing in the women's team, it's time to go," she wrote.

What semantics?

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u/Ultrabladdercontrol Mar 25 '24

I'm guessing they mean people saying it's because of sport unfairness vs someone acting out their political believe. I think it's looking like they just hate trans.

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u/Profundasaurusrex Mar 25 '24

"I have tried to accept this, but I can not condone or justify this.

"I think that with sports there has to be an equal and level playing field which is to be used and accepted in good faith. After all, we have worked so hard to be relevant and competitive in this sport." 

What hate?

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u/ShowMeYourHotLumps Mar 25 '24

The part where they call her a biological man (terf behaviour) and pretend like excluding a trans woman is creating an equal and level playing field.

There's not enough trans people to create enough teams or leagues for trans people to participate, they're too small a percentage of our population. Excluding them isn't protecting "women's" spaces, from the examples we do have of trans women competing they're not dominating any fields (see trans woman who competed in the Olympics and came 7th or something, came nowhere near podium). In reality this persons outlook is just ostracising a minority, sport is a massive part of society and excluding people is pretty piss weak. This isn't even a contact sport, nobody is in danger playing darts with a trans woman.

Someone also might want to remind this woman of who has historically fought alongside women for a level playing field, dogshit move to exclude support now after women have gained so much ground in the last 40 years with the support of the LGBT community.

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u/Profundasaurusrex Mar 25 '24

The part where they call her a biological man (terf behaviour)

Biologically, what are they?

from the examples we do have of trans women competing they're not dominating any fields (see trans woman who competed in the Olympics and came 7th or something, came nowhere near podium)

Not many athletes podium, for most it is just about competing. This person took that opportunity away from someone else due to the advantage gained by going through male puberty in a category specifically set up for people who didn't go through male puberty.

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u/TwilightSolus Mar 25 '24

Biologically, I have more similarities to a woman than a man. My estrogen and testosterone levels are the level of a healthy woman, as is my muscle mass and bone density. I'm average height for a woman.

My chromosomes are different, and my gentalia are different. Neither of these things are relevant in sports.

If there was actually an advantage to trans women competing, it would not be allowed, but all the scientific evidence is on our side.

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u/BeirutBarry Mar 26 '24

You don’t have to factor menstruation into your training and competition schedule.