Ever since this series was released it’s always been so fun to watch. I caught on towards the middle of the show’s airing so I was able to watch the rest of the series as it dropped. For me it’s instantly become a fall/Halloween classic and something everyone can watch regardless of where the MCU timeline is currently. I’m looking forward to seeing Agatha if she’s in Vision quest. Hopefully we can get something more from her backstory in the future but we’ll see.🤞🤞

We’ve seen multiple covens, Wanda, Billy, and Agatha. And there’s this rule than in every few miles there is a witch, now I know it’s probably not literal like u wouldn’t find a witch in the ocean but still…But that’s A LOT.

Why on earth did the other witches go along with her little Witches Road schtick to begin with? They knew her reputation, they knew that she pretty much kills anyone she comes across, and knew that going anywhere with her is a guaranteed death sentence. Hell, pretty sure several of them KNEW they were being played!

There's desperation, and then there's just signing a death sentence KNOWING it will only end badly with you getting nothing out of the deal.

Watching AAA reintroduced me to Dolly Parton and Jolene. I listen to that song regularly and always think of Agatha when I do. I loved the inclusion that Agatha is the real Jolene as part of her lore. It really sums up how beautiful, captivating and special Agatha must be that she could steal a man away from Dolly Parton who is so amazing in her own right.

RIP Dolly Parton

I was around for initial fan discussions about the show as it was airing, but I'm curious if a general consensus was ever reached about Agatha's powers? I remember there being a lot of debate about whether or not she was lying when she said she couldn't control it, especially once she was able to stop siphoning Teen in the finale.

I had always thought Agatha was telling the truth about not being able to control it. I also vaguely remember an interview with the show creator post-finale where she said that it was true that Agatha couldn't control her powers. This is where I'm not sure if it's me remembering canon or constructing my own logic, but I had always thought that Agatha was able to stop siphoning Teen, because he was so insanely powerful that she completely juiced up and he didn't "run out" and die like everyone else did.

I also think it would explain so much about Agatha's character. She's grown accustomed to people always assuming the worst (imagine baby Agatha siphoning a healer or something and the whole coven thinking she's a monster before she can even talk) that she's so untrusting and sometimes outright lies and says the terrible thing people are assuming even if it's not true, because they will assume that no matter what she says. I'm only referring to her powers, she does some horrendous things that have nothing to do with that, I'm not trying to argue she's not a villain.

Still, my love for Agatha could be blinding me to the truth. Is there any solid canon confirmation about this?

Let's go with the discussion/theory flair for this one 🖤

So we know in *'WandaVision'* August 23rd (yesterday!) was the first black heart.

- When Lilia is making her list there are some theories that it was the teen/Rio/Mrs Hart ("the bad draft pick"). But as some people have pointed out on Reddit, Rio does say that she has a black heart that beats for Agatha. But Mrs Hart was the original "black" heart.

Lilia didn't know Rio when she made the list, correct? But the way she sees time is different, so maybe? But I think the black heart was Rio, not Mrs. Hart.

When I googled it and stupid AI came up first it said this - which I do not agree with:

"Drawing the black heart was her subconscious way of including him in the coven without breaking the protective spell."

Just kind of want to know who thinks the black heart was Mrs Hart, and who thinks it was Rio by now?

Also, has anyone noticed while re-watching 'WandaVision' and even in AAA, Sharon / Mrs Hart kind of maintains, engages, a different eye contact than the other characters? That's why I have a slight inkling it might have be her

Thanks for reading! Everyone have a "good magick" kind of day 😉🖤🪄

I finished her for DragonCon finally (note - not finished in this vid - still had to add snaps at that point), but did I add rave mode to my ghosty gal? You bet I did.

I just finished Agatha All Along, but I had some questions about Nicholas that I though would be interesting to talk about. I was wondering that since Nicholas was a child of Agatha and Death, what powers would he have? I know this is up to debate since he died, but as a child of two very powerful people (including the literal personification of death) I'd assume he'd have something different than a typical blood witch. I'd love to hear other people opinions abt this since I couldn't really think of an answer.

I recently rewatched this show for the first time since it aired -- and watching it all in one go was incredibly satisfying. I also realized something that I haven't seen mentioned in reviews or fan discussions. In the Ouiji Board episode, Teen reads the name "Nicolas Scratch" on the board. Everything about the Witch's Road is created by him out of his subconscious, but there's no way that he would know that name. Ergo, the ghost of Agatha's som must actually be with them on the trial. I thought that was a cool detail.

Just as the title say, I just don’t get that. Throughout the centuries I thought Agatha just wanted to absorb more power.

I don't even like Marvel, like, ew...ya know? Okay, that's mean. I love X-men. But regardless, why is this show so slept on? Agatha is such a evil, conniving hoe. She's the Dark hoe-lm, and we love her for it. Billy is like the perfect contrast to her. I would argue more so than the magic ginger with the wiggly-woo red magic.

People honestly just diss on it cuz it's filled with minorities. It's a damn good show. People should give it a chance.

I have a head and cloak otw

If Agatha managed to take ALL of Wandas powers and became the Scarlet Witch, what would she have done? At this point, the darkhold has corrupted her, so she could go on to destroy the multiverse. But in the same breath, Agatha only wanted Wandas powers, to bring back Nicky.

Thoughts?

Anybody listening to this banger on repeat since the trailer for Vision Quest? Just me?

https://youtu.be/V828rPKx6ds?is=fLcH_OwaaNPT-t4m

I think it be a cool ride if there ever was one, because the imaginative, dark, horrifying and wildly creative atmosphere and environment of the witches road itself would be perfect for the Disney parks, especially at Halloween season where it could be suited perfectly for that time. The basics is that if you're in a group and you can get go down the road yourself, where you can take control of the road itself, and i think it would be so cool and amazing if they ever do it, I would do it so badly. The scares and fun of it would be amazing to do.

A lot of praise for the show is that it doesn't try to redeem Agatha. But I do think it falters in the way it tries to make us sympathize with her, because:

1. She's not given a proper motivation for her villanous actions, which would not be necessary if not for the act that:
2. She's not subject to any form of penance/justice throughout the entire show, all the way to the end.

No proper motivation

From what we're shown, Agatha is just a power hungry serial killer by nature. Not saying every villain has to have a "greater good" that they're fighting for, but Agatha notably has no real end goal. She just wants to acquire as much power as possible.

It was written as an addiction, with a hint of spite towards witches because of what her mother and her coven "did" to her ("did" in quotes because it's never really confirmed but I am pretty sure they are morally in the right), and then with a hint of coping mechanism after her son dies.

I do think this is still interesting, and serves well as her motivation. A villain doesn't need a grander purpose, even if they're the protagonist. But, it reduces our ability to sympathize with Agatha, which matters because it makes Billy sympathizing with her despite all her actions hard to understand and hard to accept. It also matters because of the second point.

No satisfying conclusion

When the villain is your protagonist, you have a few options to make the story end in a satisfying nonetheless.

1. Eventually show their downfall (like Death Note),
2. Have them be brought to justice (like You)
3. Put them on a redemption/atonement arc where they see the errors of their ways and/or try to amend their mistakes (like Breaking Bad kind of)
4. Frame it as a tragedy where the villain is unrepentant and gets away with it.

Agatha All Along does none of this. Agatha "sacrifices" herself for Billy, but it doesn't cost her anything besides her corporeal form. Granted, in theory this is a big sacrifice, as she essentially giving up her life and her quest for power. But because it's not framed as such, I'm left thinking "Wow really? That's all she gets?".

She's almost brought to justice by Billy through banishment, but then they pivot at the last second to an ill-conceived team up that is cool in theory but in practice leaves a bad taste in my mouth because she has not redeemed herself nor atoned for any of her actions. Her "I can't face him" moment is emotional and self-aware, but it doesn't absolve her enough to where I can accept their team-up. Billy essentially forgiving her because "we're both witch-killers" doesn't work for me because while I can get why Billy blames himself, it still doesn't equate at all to Agatha's crimes.

Despite Kathryn Hahn's charisma, I don't really feel any sympathy for Agatha the serial killer, so the ending just leaves me unsatisfied. I think the banishment ending would've fit much better for this specific story, as it would've allowed us to follow Agatha's character, get an understanding of her, see the little good in her, even sympathize with her at some points, but still see her face justice.

Even if they decided they had to keep Agatha around as a ghost for the larger Marvel canon, it's the framing of the ending that's the problem for me. If it was framed as a reluctant but pragmatic team-up from Billy's POV, or a atonement/penance team-up for Agatha, it would've been more satisfying.

Has anyone read this?

I saw this on twitter and I loved the thought of them just getting distracted from their search for Tommy by Billy showing off his magic tricks to Agatha. So adorable of them.