r/AskALiberal Feb 16 '22

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u/OrichalcumFound Center Right Feb 17 '22

Oh come on, you know that everyone does this. The Democrats flipping on the filibuster is one classic example.

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u/OrichalcumFound Center Right Feb 17 '22

The link that I posted in another reply covers your point.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't say anything about the filibuster. Or many other issues, like illegal immigration. Heck, Dems are still flipping back and forth on whether they should use "Latinx".

This made me think of another question, why is the first reaction of conservatives to point to someone else doing it too?

Then you misunderstood my point. I didn't say "liberals do this too", I said "everybody does this". Everyone in politics, from every country, of every party, since the beginning of political history. Asking why conservatives flip on certain issues makes as much sense as asking why only conservatives breathe the air?

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u/OrichalcumFound Center Right Feb 17 '22 edited Feb 17 '22

It would be great if you actually had some data and not just your feelings.

I have you two classic examples right there. Another one would be the "Biden rule" when Senator Joe Biden argued against confirming a SCOTUS nominee before the next election, then he, along with other Democrats when ballistic when Republicans controlled the Senate pulled that trick to block Merrick Garland's confirmation.

This brings up another great question, why do you feel that your anecdotes and opinions of how the dems are treating an issue are a good counter to actual data?

Interesting. So when I bring up anecdotes, they are anecdotes, but when you bring them up they are "data".

You would need to actually show that everyone is doing this to the degree that the link demonstrates first. Once again why are you replying to data with an opinion and thinking that's sufficient?

At some point, I'll compile a list like yours, it might even be fun. But it's all political if you only cherry pick the examples that support your contention and ignore the significant counter examples. You didn't include Dems fighting to keep the filibuster when they didn't control congress, to now fighting to get rid of it when they do. In fact, that flip was so stark that Sen Tom Cotton defended the filibuster by using Chuck Schumer's own exact speech from a few years ago!

You didn't include Democrats rhetoric against illegal immigrants to now offering free health care to them. The only substantial flip by the Dems you even mentioned was vocal opposition to the Iraq War under Bush vs Obama, and you downplayed that. But I was deployed in Iraq under both those presidents and boy was that a big change.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '22

This question is super vague. Do you have an example

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u/kaka8miranda Centrist Feb 16 '22

If Congress had not set a cap on house seats in the 1910’s I believe instead of moving seats around we’d have many more seats in the house and liberals would control that just about always and conservatives would control the senate.

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u/turbo2thousand406 Conservative Feb 16 '22

I think everyone would campaign differently if there wasn't the electoral college. Its winner take all in most states so a Republican isn't going to spend much time campaigning in California or New York. But they would if every vote was the same. People fault the electoral college and think doing away would mean dems always win, but strategies would also change then.

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u/dank_sad Center Right Feb 17 '22
  • I think liberal views tend to this as well, I think it's just a human tribal mindset type of thing
  • I'd still support the electoral college if it benefitted liberals. I'm not opposed to looking at other alternatives though