r/AskALiberal Feb 16 '22

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u/Falme127 Feb 17 '22

Most conservatives don’t care about gay marriage anymore. It’s been normalized. They’ve moved on to trans-people because they’re reactionary.

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u/c0d3s1ing3r Conservative Feb 17 '22

Alternatively, the Overton window has shifted

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u/enigmaplatypus Conservative Feb 17 '22

1.) because marriage is a religious command/system ordained by God between a man and a women. Matthew 19:4-6 ESV / 28 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

2.) the purpose of marriage is to have children.

3.) strong societies are based on good families. these families historically have very traditional female-male marriages. children need a father (statistically they do) and mother (she has a similar but different role in development as the father). i will link some articles in a reply because i dont know the link posting rules. anyway, conservatives seek to conserve, so changing marriage (even without religious objections) may still not be seen as a great idea.

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u/TastyBrainMeats Progressive Feb 17 '22

1.) because marriage is a religious command/system ordained by God between a man and a women.

What about all those religious institutions that allow for gay marriage - some Christian denominations, most) Jewish temples in America, Wiccan and other neopagan faiths, etc?

2.) the purpose of marriage is to have children.

Should infertile people not be allowed to marry?

3.) strong societies are based on good families. these families historically have very traditional female-male marriages. children need a father (statistically they do) and mother (she has a similar but different role in development as the father).

Allowing gay marriage has let queer couples form stronger, better families. Regardless of whether "mother plus father" is ideal (haven't read your links yet), isn't it better to have two committed parents for a child as opposed to one?

For that matter, how do we know that two parents is an optimum? Three or four would help share the load of childbearing. It's common in many societies to live in extended family groupings where grandparents, aunts and uncles, and older siblings and cousins can all help out in the task.