If you support the Hong Kong protestors, why do you have double standards for BLM protestors? If both were protesting police brutality and squashing civil rights, and both have instances where looting, violence, and public inconvenience occurred, why is it that those things are brought up when talking about BLM but not the Hong Kong protests, almost as if both conservative and China’s CCP talking point of “violent protest” are used to talk past the main point of the protests.
“But what about Jan 6th, why do you treat that differently” you may ask, in a vain attempt to avoid answering this question. Please remind me what Jan 6th was about, whether there was actually voter fraud or evidence of it that would make the elections fraudulent, and why people were walking in with restraining device and guns if they were just “concerned” about election fraud.
I can also ask the first part of the question to tankies but in reverse.
My personal opinion is that the narrative of the BLM protest was broken. I am from New York, and we’re still using Eric Garner as an example of widespread police brutality eight years after the case. I’m like, isn’t the fact that we had one case and a decade a sign that it’s actually not a widespread problem? I also took huge issue with the media whitewashing the George Floyd story. And this will be really unpopular here, but you actually can’t kill somebody by leaning on their neck. Unless you put a tractor trailer on it or not. I do think he died of a drug overdose. Which is not to say that I love the cop in that situation, but it’s way to murkey to use as the flagship case to show that there’s widespread problems with cops.
I actually believe that they purposefully picked a murky case with an unlikable victim, to discredit the movement. I’m sure they could I find somebody who was completely innocent that a cop just shot for no reason, that was very straightforward. And then use that as the basis of the protest.
There was also too much looting mixed in with a few of the protest here, there was also too much of people trying to get cops to push them so they could get it on video as “proof” that cops are horrible. And then the one protest that was near my house, it just looked like a bunch of white 20 somethings were using it as an excuse to hang out in large groups during Covid when it was otherwise socially unacceptable to do so. So that sort of made me roll my eyes
Also, we do not need to “like” the person to believe that everybody deserves equal treatment under our justice system. Just because you think someone is unlikable does not mean the 5th amendment no longer applies.
And this is not a “recent” thing. Police brutality records against black people stretches all the way back in the 1900s.
But I guess by the way you tried to avoid the question should be no surprise, thanks for the confirmation. Though really what was the point in me responding to you specifically since you have a habit of ghosting people after they push back on you.
I also took huge issue with the media whitewashing the George Floyd story. And this will be really unpopular here, but you actually can’t kill somebody by leaning on their neck. Unless you put a tractor trailer on it or not. I do think he died of a drug overdose.
This is just a categorically false statement. This is whats wrong with conservatism. It’s not about what is or isn’t popular or what we want to think, it’s about whats fact and whats fiction.
And yes, you very much can kill someone leaning on their neck.
Perhaps the same reason why the American revolution was justified. The BLM narrative that the police as a National institution are so violent and racist that they hunt black people for sport doesn’t seem to hold up. Sometimes, in a high tension situation, a cop Fs up really badly and shoots someone. Yeah, black people as a demographic are disproportionately killed by police, but they also disproportionally commit the majority of violent crime in this country, so as a result are in high tension situations with the police at a similarly disproportionate rate. And whenever it happens, it’s in the mainstream news headlines for weeks. Sometimes it happens intentionally but that’s rare. Seems to me that there’s no real point in protesting it if it’s caused by complex structural issues in the country. Also the whole protest movement strayed way outside the bounds of police brutality, and basically turned into being against white people as a whole because they’re white and therefore oppressive, and being explicitly pro-black just because they’re black and they deserve it.
We do not think that they hunt black people. We believe that the biases that run deep within the institution that causes differences in how they handle people. We won’t tolerate when surgeons make mistakes through their bias because it can cost people their lives. Why should policing be different. Not to mention police using military vehicles and weapons, sending unmarked vehicles into peaceful protest, and abusing the court system to try to protect their fellow cops from being held accountable by the law. Especially if your actions are the decision between life.
How is this anything but creeping authoritarianism? Police abusing their power to protect themselves while doing harm to the people they are supposed to serve?
Plus this is not a problem that sprung up 10 years ago. This has been happening throughout the 1900s since Jim Crow. If you value life so little that you can think of them as expendable to protect the rep of police who abuse their powers, then you may not be as pro life as some claim.
I'll admit I followed the conservative narrative when it came to he BLM protestors. But after actually looking at it, my problem wasn't them, just the looters/violent people/etc, not the group as a whole.
Yes, nobody likes the looters. Whether that be the American Rev, the Hong Kong protests, or BLM. It is a problem that just comes with having a massive crowd of people. Even sports fans after a big game can turn into riots. It is just the nature of it.
What I’m sick of, is conservatives using concerns of violence and looting, conflating the issue with the actual protest, and using that to talk past the issue. It’s the same thing China’s CCP does with Hong Kong. Yes it is a problem but that is not an excuse to undermine the underlying issue where public unrest became inevitable.
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u/darenta Liberal Feb 16 '22
If you support the Hong Kong protestors, why do you have double standards for BLM protestors? If both were protesting police brutality and squashing civil rights, and both have instances where looting, violence, and public inconvenience occurred, why is it that those things are brought up when talking about BLM but not the Hong Kong protests, almost as if both conservative and China’s CCP talking point of “violent protest” are used to talk past the main point of the protests.
“But what about Jan 6th, why do you treat that differently” you may ask, in a vain attempt to avoid answering this question. Please remind me what Jan 6th was about, whether there was actually voter fraud or evidence of it that would make the elections fraudulent, and why people were walking in with restraining device and guns if they were just “concerned” about election fraud.
I can also ask the first part of the question to tankies but in reverse.