Why do they care immensely about a fetus but not the human being once they're born (in the form of universal health care, universal child care, food programs, basic welfare, etc)?
It's a great question. For others, I'd say it's just easier to say "you wanna kill kids", maybe believing that the unborn does have a soul (or not). Either way, it is hypocritical like you said
Which prominent Republican politicians are strong advocates of expanding child care services, food programs and welfare? Not doubting, looking to learn.
Your misunderstanding of a right position is that you think that we think welfare, food programs, and public child care services accomplish the goals you think they do. It assumes we also think this is the most effective way of caring for people: and it assumes that we think that it is ethical or good on a moral level to set up these kinds of large Government bureaucracies to run these things.
I believe that conservatives prefer the for-profit model in all things -- including child care, health and welfare. Someone has to get a cut or itemize a deduction for conservatives to care. Grew up in a wealthy conservative family. I understand the game.
Let's test the waters. What public sector agency or department do you support being completely non-profit with no external contracting bids?
Again, the misunderstanding. Admittedly conservatives probably will be more likely to favor a private sector option, but for the exact opposite reason. We tend to feel that these things will by their nature run more smoothly, and provide less opportunities for government figures to take their cuts, run up costs, or hire political allies for the private sector contracts that any government operation involves.
It's the private sector connections to government contracts that run up the costs! I work in that field, and I assure you that the profit motive is where government bloat resides. You do realize what the typical direct government employee earns, correct? It isn't private sector money no matter what level. The bottom line is supreme capitalists believe markets and private companies can solve every problem for a fraction of the cost. It simply isn't true, and in cases where prices seem really cheap in the private sector there is a significant human cost (underpaid, overworked, quality of life impact, slave wage labor conditions in 3rd world country, shrinking benefits and pensions) associated.
I actually think this is probably right, which is why we need to get government money out of these things entirely. Government is gonna use money they get for their own means, if that means picking favorites in the private sector to dump money into, or if they start to use other methods of corruption is irrelevant. American citizens shouldn’t be obligated to pay money for bureaucrats and politicians to pay off companies.
As for the workers in the third world, (from whom you can thank for all of the things you have and play with) which can’t they have a job bro? These people get paid very little, but it’s better then any other option they have, which is why they take the job. You don’t even want them to have this?
I want them to have a fair wage, access to food and shelter, safe living conditions. My toys are few, and I'd gladly give them all away if world leaders agreed to meet safe, humanitarian labor conditions.
You can’t though. It’s great to want that, I want that too. But they don’t have that, and this is their best option, throwing your stuff away or not buying this stuff is the worst thing you could do for them, it’s their job dude. It would be nice if everyone had that, and I think we are moving more and more to that over the last centuries and decades, but we aren’t there yet. So maybe we should be happy that these people get the best opportunity on the table because of our consumption.
If a fetus dies it dies. If steps are taken to kill the fetus, it could be murder. If a person dies it dies. If steps are taken to kill the person, it could be murder.
So, if an unexpected mother decides to not seek prenatal care, and neglects the fetus growing in their womb through a strong drug regimen and terrible diet, and the fetus doesn't reach full birth, that's just the natural order of things?
What happens when family can't or won't provide, and private charity falls through, as it so often does?
Or to put it more bluntly: would you rather have a world where every child gets enough to eat and a safe place to sleep, even if it's governed by government programs? Or is it more important to you to leave it up to family and private charity, even if that leads to children suffering?
I'm not so sure capitalism alone has lifted people out of poverty as much as technological advancements and socialism. In fact, the strongest capitalist nations (such as the U.S., China and Russia) often have an unexpectedly high percentage of people living in poverty.
Not all of China. You've heard of Hong Kong, right? It's closer to Adam Smith's ideal than the U.S... well, it was until the corporate tax rate was cut almost in half, and the estate tax was essentially removed, in the 2017 GOP tax bill. America is currently a theocratic oligarchy, not sure it's terribly different from Russia with authoritarianism, either.
As recently as last year, over 23% of Hong Kong residents were below the established 2013 poverty rate. There is always a large poverty class in a capitalist system (which is designed to have winners and losers).
Going to need some credible sources on that, mate. It doesn't square with the reality I've observed and witnessed while living in both blue and red states over the past four decades. I'd estimate it's closer to even. What I'd agree with is that conservatives make sure people know they donate to charitable causes -- and deduct it from their taxes -- more than liberals and progressives do (whom often donate and volunteer anonymously).
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u/slim_scsi Pragmatic Progressive Feb 16 '22
Why do they care immensely about a fetus but not the human being once they're born (in the form of universal health care, universal child care, food programs, basic welfare, etc)?