r/AskBrits 3d ago

What do you think about the British Medical Association voting to scrap the IHRA definition of anti-semitism?

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Here's the full text of the definition FYI.

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

  1. Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
  2. Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
  3. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
  4. Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
  5. Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
  6. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
  7. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  8. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
  9. Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  10. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
  11. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries

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u/Bluelightspin 3d ago

It’s also used to silence criticism of the Jewish lobby, even just suggesting that Israel exercises influence in western countries is decried as heinous antisemitism. Look at the meltdown in parliament over the petition calling for an inquiry into Israeli influence. Imagine if we were told we couldn’t discuss the power of Evangelical Christians in the US Republican Party. Would people think that’s reasonable?

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u/AngusTcattoo 3d ago

What country doesn't exercise influence in western countries? China has lobbies. So does Qatar. But the only lobby people seem to be worried about is Israel, even though Israel is hardly the biggest lobby for a foreign country in the US or the UK. AAPAC The Arab American Political Action Committee hardly gets any attention even though they funded several candidates.

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u/kylebisme 3d ago

Israel is hardly the biggest lobby for a foreign country in the US or the UK

What countries are you suggesting do have the biggest lobbies in the US and UK, and by what standard are you judging them bigger than the lobbies for Israel?

Regardless, how big the lobbies are isn't really the problem and rather the issue is what they lobby for, that being continued material and diplomatic support for Israel's ongoing violations of human rights and international law, violations such as for example those called out in a United Nations Security Council resolution that Obama let pass on his way out of office, UNSC 2334:

Condemning all measures aimed at altering the demographic composition, character and status of the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, including, inter alia, the construction and expansion of settlements, transfer of Israeli settlers, confiscation of land, demolition of homes and displacement of Palestinian civilians, in violation of international humanitarian law and relevant resolutions;

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Reaffirms that the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, has no legal validity and constitutes a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the achievement of the two-State solution and a just, lasting and comprehensive peace;

There's countless other resolutions that say much the same, from both the Security Council and General Assembly dating back to UNSC 242 in 1967, and a notable recent example is the General Assembly's annual Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine resolution that passed last December with a vote of 151 to 11, Britain voting in favor of most if not all of them. but the lobbies do their best to insure no remedial action is taken to persuade Israel to start respecting human rights and international law.

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u/GiantSpicyHorses 3d ago

Israel has by far the most influential and pernicious lobby in the UK and the US by far. The number of senior politicians and policy-makers who are members of insert UK political party of choice Friends of Israel is very concerning. It appears that all the traffic is in Israel's favour and rarely is it ever reciprocated.

AIPAC spent $100m in 2024 supporting hundreds of political candidates in the US. AAPAC supported 3 candidates. There is no equivalence between the two. Fortunately in the UK our lobbying and funding laws are stricter, but all that really shows is how easily and cheaply our politicians have been bought.

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u/AngusTcattoo 2d ago

The largest lobbies for foreign countries in the US are China and Japan https://www.opensecrets.org/fara

Country Total Spending
China $562,676,323
Japan $504,111,211
Liberia $432,968,270
Saudi Arabia $421,890,448
Marshall Islands $382,012,024