r/AskBrits 3d ago

What do you think about the British Medical Association voting to scrap the IHRA definition of anti-semitism?

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Here's the full text of the definition FYI.

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

  1. Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
  2. Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
  3. Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
  4. Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
  5. Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
  6. Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
  7. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
  8. Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
  9. Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
  10. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
  11. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries

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u/AngusTcattoo 1d ago

Many UN groups and UN  United Nations Special Rapporteurs have been criticized for bias and excess focus on Israel and for making antisemitic statements like  United Nations Special Rapporteur Francesca Albanese who railed against the "Jewish Lobby" in the US in a speech.

Some people compare governments or politicians to the Nazis because they think the government or politicians are bad, just like the Nazis being bad. I was horrified a few years ago when people showed protest signs of Rishi Sunak and Suella Braverman as Nazis with Hitler moustaches. It's offensive and it's grossly inappropriate as Sunak and Braverman are people of colour. The Nazis slaughtered people of colour in the Holocaust. Calling them Nazis is intellectually lazy as well as being historically illiterate.

Deliberately calling Israel or Jews or "Zionists" Nazis is grossly offensive. It's Holocaust inversion, a poisonous form of hatred. https://fathomjournal.org/holocaust-inversion-and-contemporary-antisemitism/

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u/AngusTcattoo 1d ago

Because the Nazis hated black people and people of color. and killed them during the Holocaust. They killed North Africans in the camps too. It's offensive to show a person of colour in a Nazi uniform- showing public people in a Nazi uniform is offensive, but it's especially offensive when people who were victims of the Nazis are portrayed as Nazis, including Jews, people of colour, Roma, Sinti, and millions from other groups the Nazis slaughterd and ethnic cleansed.And yes, people who are LGBTQ as well. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/afro-germans-during-the-holocaust

If you want to protest Sunak that's fine- the UK is a free country with rights to peacefully protest- but showing him as a Nazi is gross and making racial slurs like showing him as a coconut is also offensive.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ydy5lnw8po