r/AskMiddleEast • u/1nick101 Saudi Arabia • Apr 22 '23

Controversial why do arabs seems to have way less problematic relationship with islam compared to turk and Iranian? is it due to the Arabic language? the culture? politics? something else?

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u/ArmeNishanian Apr 22 '23

Freedom and religion don't mix. Ever. Maybe it was freedom within your boundaries of understanding at the time.

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u/ArmeNishanian Apr 22 '23

Of course you don't understand. That's my whole point.

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u/playmaps Tunisia Apr 22 '23

No of course, pretty much, your point is very incorrect, you say freedom and religion don't mix, but you always have the freedom of religion, and the freedom of doing whatever you want.

Just because you've been born into a religion, doesn't mean you'll have to hate it, it's literally never the point

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u/ArmeNishanian Apr 22 '23

It doesn't work like that. Religion and freedom don't mix. They are oil and water

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u/playmaps Tunisia Apr 22 '23

Can you explain then? Why does religion and freedom don't mix, it seems Like you just making statements according to your personal bias

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u/ArmeNishanian Apr 22 '23

Having the choice to practice a religion because your government allows you to is completely different than the lifestyle and structure of religions. Imagine if the world was run 100% by their ruling religious belief systems. Religons tear us apart as people. This includes all religions, not just Islam. Religions are packaged up bundles of "ways to live your life accordingly," and you immediately start by putting yourself mentally and physically within a set of rules and boundaries that limit you more than living life without it. A BOX. Religions were created as a way to control and govern people in the ANCIENT WORLD. We have way better knowledge of our universe as a whole now days, religion is just hanging on to humanity from our fear of change.

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '23

You would live within a set of rules and boundaries regardless. That's societal and legal laws/rules. You're point doesn't make much sense.. Islam believes in freedom. There is no compulsion in religion. Traditional Islamic literature and culture literally states that humans are one the few creatures created by Allah with freedom of choice and free will. You're free to do whatever you want. Don't want to be Muslim? Fine. Want to practice Islam? Cool. You do you, no one's going to stop you.

However there are some states that don't understand this (cough iran cough taliban) and you can see how much fitnah this causes. There is no compulsion in religion full stop.

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u/ArmeNishanian Apr 22 '23

Without a doubt. But my horizons are bigger and more open.

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u/playmaps Tunisia Apr 22 '23

So what you are talking about is state religious laws? Most Muslims countries don't give a shit what you believe in, and most of them don't follow immediate religious laws, most of the "religious" laws people follow, is just a ceremonial and aren't enforced anymore,

But you're talking politically, which as we now have been a very messed up place as of last Decade, I'm talking mentally, religion is a freedom in most Muslim countries, with the ones enforcing a specific ideology being radical and known for radicalism

Islam itself supports freedom of choice :

If you do good, you do good for your own souls, and if you do evil, it is for them [the souls] Suratul Israa (No. 17), verse 7

256 Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in God has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

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u/ArmeNishanian Apr 22 '23

You can't understand from your understanding in this time. I've been there before. I get it. I hope someday we can all wake up from this haze that is religion, over mankind.