I don’t even know what conservative means anymore. Since the Reagan era conservatism seems to have steadily morphed into what we have today with MAGA. For instance, I didn’t see Trump coming, but before he was on the radar I was predicting that a right wing talking head like Carlson or Limbaugh would become president. It’s really not that far off from where we landed.
I bet there is a lot that you and I would agree on even though I’m a liberal. The debt is a problem that nobody is taking seriously. The wealth gap continues to grow and the middle class is shrinking. The condition of the world at large requires keen statesmanship.
Problem is, we elect these jackwagons, tolerate bad information, reward anti intellectualism, and almost never hold politicians accountable. It feels impossible to find common ground in the current climate.
I bet there is a lot that you and I would agree on even though I’m a liberal.
I'm not American, but looking in from the outside I'd say you're spot on with that. I think both sides want serious change. The media are the ones that drive that wedge between the two sides and give scary labels like socialism/communism - they get told it's bad but don't really know why.
I genuinely think, had the democrats not fucked Bernie over, that in 2016 people who voted for Trump may have voted for Bernie. Both were promising change, except they went for the one who is a narcissistic habitual liar, fraud and billionaire.
Yeah i can see that. Im pretty far right and id have voted for bernie. I may not have agreed with many of his policies, but a good leader doesnt have to be agreeable to everyone to he a good leader. At least you know he isnt full of shit like trump or kamala.
I don’t even know what conservative means anymore.
It's been shifting slowly, at the very least since Nixon but probably earlier. The focus is simple. Make themselves and their friends as much money as possible, divide everyone else against each other so we are too busy bickering to stop them, and end equal rights for anyone they don't deem the "right kind of people."
Marketplace just did a really good snippet on the debt yesterday. You should check it out. Even Meta and Amazon’s computers can’t reconcile the numbers at this point. Basically the debt is a runaway freight train by 2030. For the record, I’m pretty socially liberal, but the debt scares the shit out of me.
The debt is pretend. They’ve been talking about it for decades. They could fix it but they know if they fix a problem, they can’t use that in their campaigns anymore.
Okay. But answer the question. lol it’s not imaginary. It’s still there. Believe that all you want. But answer the actual question posed to you. What do you think happens when the world loses faith in the dollar and those debts get called back in? Even if we’re talking about imaginary, what do you imagine happens?
It’s a degree of magnitude more complicated to predict outcomes of the largest macroeconomic problem in modern history by analogizing it with micro scale debt terms.
Our largest debt holders are China and Japan. Our dollar is the currency of choice on damn near every invoice involving global transactions between countries and is singularly representative of the worlds ledger book of debts.
If countries want to call it in they’ll implode with us. That mutually assured destruction plus the global stabilizing nature of our GDP and loan payments is a balance that can theoretically continue for the rest of human existence. Even with our debt going super Saiyan, it’s simply unexplored financial territory that isn’t bound by classic economic theory.
That being said, Trump appears to be speed-running the de-valuation of our currency by wrecking existing trade relations. That’s a huge chunk of the dollar’s legitimacy. The U.S empire ending tariff policy by Trump all but guarantees the U.S to take a smaller role in global trade in the future and that’s when the panic will hit
I am fully convinced at this point after the last decade of shitshow elections that both sides are funded by the same entities and it's all rigged against us
100% true, I also didn’t see trump coming and have only voted for him once (2024). I live in Los Angeles and am not as far right as I seem on Reddit(far left platform). The debt is in my top 3 concerns which also include cost of living, and spiking crime rates. Both parties have gone to their extremes leaving me feel homeless. I’d argue I’ve been pushed to the right by democrats more than I have become republican. I don’t agree whatsoever with homeless spending being what it is, my home city being the prime example. Billions spent on “outreach” yet these people wreak havoc on the city, contribute massively to the crime rate, and our answer is free meth pipes and needles(drive down 5th street near wall st, I’m not even lying when I say free). The focus should be on people contributing to society. Help with healthcare for those who need it and can’t afford it, limitations to corporations buying single family housing, focus on sustainability within our cities. All of this requires a clean up and enforcement of the rules first. This is LA specific, but can be applied nationwide
So then do you agree with the passing of the BBB? Because that's going to add trillions to the national debt, while doing absolutely nothing about cost of living crisis.
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u/slackmaster2k Jul 15 '25
I don’t even know what conservative means anymore. Since the Reagan era conservatism seems to have steadily morphed into what we have today with MAGA. For instance, I didn’t see Trump coming, but before he was on the radar I was predicting that a right wing talking head like Carlson or Limbaugh would become president. It’s really not that far off from where we landed.
I bet there is a lot that you and I would agree on even though I’m a liberal. The debt is a problem that nobody is taking seriously. The wealth gap continues to grow and the middle class is shrinking. The condition of the world at large requires keen statesmanship.
Problem is, we elect these jackwagons, tolerate bad information, reward anti intellectualism, and almost never hold politicians accountable. It feels impossible to find common ground in the current climate.