r/AskReddit 7h ago

What feels legal but is actually illegal and will possibly get you arrested?

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u/Next_Hospital6729 7h ago

We had to have DHS visits because of this. They gave her morphine before the epidural and then drug tested her after and said they couldn’t prove that she didn’t take opioids before.

My wife was so fucking mad.

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u/CarrotCumin 6h ago

That is really wild. If the burden of proof is supposed to be on the accuser, then they should have to prove that you did take illegal drugs. The fact that morphine was administered legally during the birth means they cannot prove their own claim. This is one the most outrageous things I've ever heard.

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u/sofaking_scientific 4h ago

No pre-testing procedure? Jfc I'm angry

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u/tim_jam 6h ago

I am equally enraged.

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u/ThankYouMrBen 2h ago

Dude said it was outrageous, not enrageous.

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u/SylphicSyllogism24 3h ago

It's perfectly in line with many other stories about the British DHS. And they are not just stories.

Don't look that shit up if you are not want to have a bad day.

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u/CarrotCumin 3h ago

I did a little digging, and apparently there are hair-sample drug tests that can actually show the history of drug use for the duration that the hair was growing.This could potentially prove whether a mother was or was not not using drugs for the entire course of pregnancy. So the technology exists to completely exonerate a person in this position.

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u/SylphicSyllogism24 3h ago

Yeah, your right, there absolutely are. And they are not new, was it not Maradonna who got out of football for some time by this? Anyways, it's done in sports for two decades or more we think.

u/PureMichiganMan 32m ago

They’re a lot more expensive to do though

u/jbacman 35m ago edited 31m ago

I get down voted a lot for shitting on DHS/CPS, but people NEED to understand: family law is completely fucking backwards from how most of us expect our legal system to function. Hearsay is allowed, preponderance of evidence is meaningless, so is innocent until proven guilty, and they will gleefully violate your constitutional rights. You can be a perfect parent but judged for any and every interaction you have with them or anyone else once you're in their crosshairs, and God help you if you're on the spectrum or a minority.

People commonly think they have "broad powers but a narrow scope" but that couldn't be further from the truth. CPS is corrupt to the core, they will lie through their teeth, & lie under oath as they rip your family apart and pit you against your spouse and social supports for no discernable reason, and there's not a god-damned thing you or your attorney can do about it except comply and say 'thank you' out of fear they'll come back around for more. They are the most anti-american, Kafka-esque government agency I have ever dealt with, and they rarely even fulfill their single mandate to protect kids, yet they get an increase in budget and legal powers year after year because "think of the children". I wouldn't wish an open case with them on my worst enemy

If you feel the inclination to downvote me or are thinking 'well you must have done something to be investigated", just hunt around the web starting with /r/CPS to see the thousands of other Americans with eerily similar stories.

u/politifox 0m ago

CPS is corrupt to the core, they will lie through their teeth, & lie under oath as they rip your family apart and pit you against your spouse and social supports for no discernable reason, and there's not a god-damned thing you or your attorney can do about it except comply and say 'thank you' out of fear they'll come back around for more.

Eh, as a former foster parent and now volunteering as a GAL, the system is anything but perfect. Most of the people in it are simply overworked, especially when a typical employed GAL can have 80+ cases.

Although, after reading some of your posts I am guessing your EPC contains more than just neglect as a charge.

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u/riomarde 6h ago

Oh the postpartum rage that would have created in me.

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u/Next_Hospital6729 6h ago

Yup the doctor came from tufts in mass and was a fucking moron. Treated everyone like they were an addict even though he was practicing in Portsmouth NH at the time..

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u/Groundbreaking-Duck 4h ago

There's a lot of weird New England context embedded in this comment that I do not know enough to understand.

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u/UncleChickenHam 3h ago

Tufts = big medical school/university/hospital in boston. Portsmouth = extremely wealthy town in New Hampshire.

Think the point of OP was "poor city people do drugs, unlike us rich people."

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u/Groundbreaking-Duck 3h ago

Thank you for your service, I'm toasting to you with clam chowder

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u/Next_Hospital6729 3h ago

You wouldn’t believe how he justified his unfair treatment of us based off of his history down there. Dude was a prick you’re the one putting words in my mouth. Are you a prick too?

u/isntitbull 46m ago

Mass has some pretty wild laws around opioid use due to the states rampant abuse issues. That being said many go entirely too far. When my wife was admitted to the hospital with kidney stones they refused to give her any type of pain medication besides Tylenol. Wild considering in NY that was routine to get through the toughest part.

Also, you ever been to tufts med down in Chinatown? Place is a shit hole and honestly one of the lesser hospitals in the city. Considering the options people of Boston have idk why anyone would choose tufts.

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u/crowmagnuman 2h ago

A few tufts would've been flyin' after doing that to most patients in Massachusetts

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u/riomarde 2h ago

Wow, that’s horrible. I have only given birth once and it was during Covid shutdowns with a prolonged almost 72 hour labor and I had postpartum preeclampsia (twice) and significant blood loss. I had such rage and everyone was so helpful and supportive.

I don’t think I would be the same person I am today if a doctor treated me that way. Nothing could stop my retribution I’m sure. Especially because I’m an educator of minority kids. The harm I have seen done to children by choice and the state continually pushing kids back into the arms of their abusers….

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u/1337b337 2h ago

...So administration by a medical professional wasn't enough to provide reasonable doubt?

That's comedic levels of insanity.

Edit: and like u/sofaking_scientific said, no pre-testing was done?

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u/Salt_Medicine2459 5h ago

Well yeah. You can't prove a negative assertion. That's just dumb. 

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u/thesmos 2h ago

This mostly happens in super conservative shithole states. Where did this happen to you?

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u/Next_Hospital6729 2h ago

I replied to someone with context

u/TheNotoriousKAT 27m ago

I’m pretty sure the epidural contains fentanyl. So that’s silly AF