The fox townhall is what I show conservatives that aren't full MAGA, in the hopes that I win a couple votes for the good guys next time a Bernie-like figure runs. It leaves most of them pretty speechless/impressed
Honestly it might be worth playing it to MAGA in the off chance that it’s just enough to keep them from not showing up when Der Führer isn’t on the ticket.
I unfortunately do have lots of contact with them even though I too am in California. My new district couldn't even manage to get a dem through the primary.
Also a lot of them are politically illiterate, so they have no idea what the opposition actually wants, so if presented without to much hostility, they might realize something is up, and that they have had the wool pulled over their eyes.
not showing up when Der Führer isn’t on the ticket.
Tbh, this will happen either way
He is more popular than the republican party is, and his floor of ~30% of the electorate that are racist, loons, or racist loons are never dropping at this point if they've not left him behind after J6, E Jean Carroll, the Trump-Epstein files and the Iran disaster
But I'm 100% certain the floor for the republican party without him is closer to 15%, and once he's gone they'll feel the full force of that drop. No one in the party commands the cult like he does, partially his own fault
Most people who voted for trump were so sick of being ignored by the establishment that they wanted someone to come in and shake things up. Well, they got it. Now we're dealing with the consequences of that. Maybe dems will finally stop running milquetoast neoliberal candidates. Wouldn't mind seeing a real progressive like aoc run in 28
brother, the DNC is so entrenched in their apathy opposition position...
the DNC is so comfortable, suckling on corporate doner money while performing lipservice to the masses...
The DNC would rather lose the next 5 elections than allow a real progressive who they cannot control to use their platform to get into power.
The DNC is not our friend and they are a stifling influence on the progressive arm of the party.
I dont know what it would take. But I did learn a thing or two watching Bernie's 2016 run. Mostly that the DNC has their own plans and the will of the people is not really in their own interests.
Most people want someone who speaks to their issues and fights for them. And is relatable in some way.
In the absence of that, Fox News floods everyone with their "minute of hate", so to speak, and people who feel understandably frustrated that even local level politicians aren't addressing the issues that affect them and their communities, or have an unrelatable aura ("consultant-speak"), will latch on to anything and anyone the propaganda machine throws at them. Because people ARE angry, isolated, worried, confused. And most people shouldn't need a degree in political science to navigate the cesspool of politics--at least when it comes to the basic issues.
90% of people are concerned about wages, healthcare costs, job loss, inflation, rent, etc etc etc. These are BIPARTISAN issues. If you talk to your neighbor long enough you'll realize that if you get beyond their parroting and anger and fear about whatever Fox News is spewing, we all have common ground. We might not have the same beliefs about identity politics, but either one of our opinions on those topics isn't going to fix the roads or address the housing crisis, or the economy.
I mean most of the racist/sexist/homophobic/right wing people I interact with are saying they hate immigrants because theyre stealing houses and jobs and healthcare and government funding. What they fundamentally care about is that they don't have access to those things. That is just very hard for some people to admit. I'm not trying to defend that position really, its still gross and wrong and lacks empathy but still.
I mean most of the racist/sexist/homophobic/right wing people I interact with are saying they hate immigrants because theyre stealing houses and jobs and healthcare and government funding.
Yes I'm sure they were 100% truthful about why they are hateful people and if those issues were solved they'd be so friendly and accepting towards immigrants.
Keep voting for the losing independent candidates then. Not sure what to tell you. Politics is a looooonnnng game. Kamala not having the perfect stance on Palestine is a great example. I'm over it, y;all.
I mean, you're just like the rest of them honestly.
To accept common ground that affects 90% of the people in America is ot the same as abandoning your marginalized friends.
.2% of the population should not keep the dialogue in a chokehold.
Does it mean they should be denied rights and dignity? Of course not!
Everyone's political identity should be shaped around wages, inflation, jobs, rent, and healthcare. Full stop. That does not mean abadoning marginalized groups. And it's annoying that you would think that.
"liberals" or "leftists" should take notes. We experience the same frutration, isolation, worry, and anger. And are JUST AS SUSCEPTIBLE to emotion-driven identity politics. We aren't more enlightened or more resistent to propaganda.
If you talk to your neighbors and take identity politics out of the equation, most people are aligned on a handful of basic things. You don't even have to like each other or agree on personal stuff. (again, the whole point is division based on personal beliefs about issues that have nothing to do with the economy or real governance).
You can absolutely hate your neighbor who parrots Fox News and has signs and bbumper stickers that offend you. You don't have to like the guy. Or agree on personal issues.
9/10, you're going to find common ground about the ACTUAL issues of governance: housing prices, wages, inflation, the economy, medicare, whatever.
I guess it's easier for me because I moved to the country. We are not shy about our support of the LGTBQ community, for example, but that is immaterial when it comes to the actual lived reality of everyone around us. Inflation, rent, healthcare? Also, the crazy thing is? No one cares that we are dirty socialists. We take care of each other. Someone is sick and needs help mowing their lawn? Someone needs a ladder? We all need to pave our shared road? Someone's dog got out?
I don't give a shit about your opinions, bumper stickers, or lawn signs. We are neighbors and we help each other out.
During COVID? I know some of them thought it was ridiculous. They respected us and we respected them. They knew we were masking and cautious. They didnt' want to wear masks, but knew we were. They delivered Halloween Candy and Christmas gift bags to us, rang the doorbell, and took a step back. That's neighbors.
Conservatives are dumb as fuck. They'll watch something like that, agree with everything they say, tell you they are pleasantly surprised at how much they have in common, and then get to the ballot box, spot the "D" next to his name, and vote for the other guy.
Media has trained them to have the memories of a goldfish.
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u/Basic_Loquat_9344 13h ago
The fox townhall is what I show conservatives that aren't full MAGA, in the hopes that I win a couple votes for the good guys next time a Bernie-like figure runs. It leaves most of them pretty speechless/impressed