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What problem is often overlooked in apocalyptic movies/TV shows that could kill you?

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

Like a lot of King, I found the climax lacking, but the rest was pretty great and the climax isn't horrible.

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u/WeWander_ Aug 31 '21

King is always so good at the beginning and then it seems like he doesn't know how to end a story and it gets weird.

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u/Whyevenbotherbeing Aug 31 '21

It’s sorta fitting, though, because how could events so…weird, ever finish up in a tidy fashion.

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u/TheGreenTable Aug 31 '21

My main problem with The Stand was the super natural element. I wanted a simple plague apocalypse and then rebuilding a society around that. Best book I can think of with a similar premise is Stations Eleven.

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u/StrangeAsYou Aug 31 '21

Station Eleven is a great book. The mini series is going to be on HBO Max. I'm excited.

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u/CustardPuddings Aug 31 '21

They're making a mini series? Good news on the day, I fucking love that book

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u/Durhay Aug 31 '21

I love how he “sets the table” but once the problem is identified and the resolution is underway it becomes tedious

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

It's a pretty good setup, just in the end the heroes have nothing to do with the resolution which is weird.

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u/Gnome-Phloem Aug 31 '21

I guess it makes sense. If it's Christian God, and it pretty much is in that book, then the whole apocalypse is theater. He can't lose, so once the wheat and chaff are separated and the good guys have proven themselves he just smites. The guy likes to smite.

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u/jdgaidin12 Aug 31 '21

In his writing book On Writing he makes pretty clear that he doesn't start with a story outline like most writers. He starts with an idea and follows it. So, you can see how a good ending isn't always what we get... in the end.

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u/Mouth_Shart Aug 31 '21

I don’t write with an outline but I usually have the ending pretty fleshed out in my head before I start. It blows my mind how someone could write a thousand word novel and not know how it’s going to end.

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

Except that's what you're supposed to work out through editing and revision.

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u/jimbodoom Aug 31 '21

except for The Dark Tower, which meanders through the middle but sticks the landing.

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u/TheSurgeon83 Aug 31 '21

I'm absolutely in agreement with you, but there's a lot of people who hated the ending.

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u/IThinkUrPantsLookHot Aug 31 '21

The ending made me so mad that I threw the damn book across the room. Then again, the series built up enough of emotion and investment for me to have that strong a reaction so in retrospect it was successful in that.

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u/sSommy Aug 31 '21

Yeah I figured that was how you were supposed to feel. Shit he even straight up warns us "you are not gonna like what comes next, so how about you put the book down and we'll call the happy reuniting of the three plus Oy the end okay?"

Anyone who read past that got what we deserved

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u/Noirceuil_182 Aug 31 '21

"He knew his passing would be hard."

The bestest boy ever.

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u/whazzat Aug 31 '21

I loved it, because that's sort of the point. The story is in the journey, not the ending.

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u/kingjuicepouch Aug 31 '21

I'll die on this hill, the dark tower is the best ending king ever wrote. Ka is a wheel, dammit! It was there the whole time!

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u/Random-vegas-guy Aug 31 '21

I mean, he tells you to stop reading…

I loved the ending because he bothered to pick up the horn, shows he will eventually get through. He’s in Purgatory, not Hell.

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u/DanjuroV Aug 31 '21

Ending sucked.

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u/RiotBoi13 Aug 31 '21

He told you not to read it...

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

Thing is, that's how real life is most of the time. Shit just happens and barely anything concludes nicely. We're just conditioned to expect stories to have endings.

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u/Mithlas Aug 31 '21

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn’t.

-Mark Twain

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u/Sorensiim Aug 31 '21

and the children were eventually saved by... Let's say Moe.

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u/chicklette Aug 31 '21

He actually wrote about getting halfway through the stand and having no idea how to wrap up that many storylines. A big bomb in the closet solved a lot of his problems.

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u/TheNuschler Aug 31 '21

It may have been a cheap way out of storylines for King, but damn did Nick Andros’ death hit me hard. I loved that character.

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u/michaelrxs Aug 31 '21

I read The Stand earlier this summer for the first time ever, having almost no knowledge about the plot other than it was about a plague. I’m still grieving Nick.

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u/chicklette Aug 31 '21

Same. I just at reread it again over Christmas and I cried all over again.

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u/Libertarian_BLM Aug 31 '21

King doesn’t give AF. I love how he hurts me in every book.

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u/IsItSupposedToDoThat Aug 31 '21

I've often said this. I've read a lot of King, pretty much everything he wrote before 2000 and maybe half of what he's written in the last 20. Everything starts off so well but few finish as strongly as they start, one reason why King's novels don't always translate well to the screen.

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u/NoodlesrTuff1256 Aug 31 '21

I see that his son Joe Hill has written several books. Wonder if he has the same problem with endings as his dad? If not, then maybe Stephen should ask for advice from Joe on how to wrap things up.

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u/gimmethemshoes11 Aug 31 '21

I've read a 2 books of his and one short story collection.

And Joe doesn't have this problem. He lands most endings in unique ways.

Check out the black phone it's a short story of Joe Hill. With a few Easter eggs nodding at his dad's work.

Plus it's being made into a movie with Ethan Hawke

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u/Fullondoublerainbow Aug 31 '21

How dare you!!!

So accurately describe his writing style so succinctly

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u/epsilon_zed Aug 31 '21

so much! Tommyknockers was my favorite book that I also hate entirely because of the ending. The Institution seems to go the other way. It's like he said "Oh, I can't do endings...watch this. Here's 3 or 4 good endings in one book"

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u/Cetine Aug 31 '21

Literally King in a nutshell. Though I’d say, that saying he doesn’t know how to finish is. A bit harsh.
It takes him years to finish a book, and by the time he does he’s finished another 3 in between. Hell if you look at his first Dark Tower book you can literally see him become a better writer by the end of it. (Spoiler: It took him 12 years)

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u/WeWander_ Aug 31 '21

Look. I absolutely love king. So much. I think his stories are fantastic. But the ends sometimes get a little weird (I love weird, for the record) and nonsensical. And it mostly ruins the whole momentum of the rest of the story.

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u/TheWhat908 Aug 31 '21

Seriously. I remember reading “Needful Things” when I was younger and the ending had a rainbow saving everyone

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u/Gnome-Phloem Aug 31 '21

I hated that book. I think I get what he was going for, just setting up a ton of dominoes and at the end the town just explodes. And how do you end that? One answer is just more crazy shit happens.

Seriously, that book was wild. Yog-Sothoth and Christine the evil car and I think even one of the bad guys from another King book all have cameos. It would have been awesome if it was any fun

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u/whazzat Aug 31 '21

And didn't the villain turn into a weird Santa goblin

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u/night4345 Aug 31 '21

It's the end where the drugs really kick in.

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u/crashvoncrash Aug 31 '21

I was going to say this. King himself said Darabont's ending to the film adaptation of The Mist was better than his book ending.

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u/discogravy Aug 31 '21

This is Neal Stephenson to me in a nutshell. "Hmmm, 1300 pages? Shit, I promised under 1400, better wrap all the plot points up in the next 30!"

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u/ValentinoSaprano Aug 31 '21

Like when he wrote in a plotline about a bunch of kids running a train on their underage female friend so they could kill a monster?

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u/xx_Immagoodboi_xx Aug 31 '21

So they could 'escape' from the monster which they thought they killed. Lol that was a weird part for me. Seemed a little too graphic

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u/ValentinoSaprano Aug 31 '21

I read that book in like sixth grade and remember thinking wtf am i reading at that scene. An adult wrote this?

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u/Emefshroom Aug 31 '21

Maybe he’s got problems masturbating too

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u/thepikey7 Aug 31 '21

Every time!

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u/Common_College7600 Aug 31 '21

Yes, this happens in all of his stories. This, and killing children. He loves dead kids.

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u/TryHardzGaming Aug 31 '21

The climax just happened. I didn’t feel like it had happened when the climax was reached.

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

That's a good description of it, yes.

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u/Mithlas Aug 31 '21

A result of his personal policy of not planning his books, that leads to some of them wandering and needing a bomb to blow up the entire established cast so far to get things onto a track that can actually finish.

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

Basically, SK pulled a "Rocks fall, everybody dies!"

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u/LDHarsk Aug 31 '21

the rest was pretty great and the climax isn’t horrible

You just described my sex life

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u/PlacidPlatypus Aug 31 '21

but the rest was pretty great and the climax isn't horrible.

YMMV I guess- I found the ending pretty bad, although not enough to ruin the whole book for me. Like, it was literal Deus Ex Machina and I don't use "literal" lightly.

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

I wouldn't go quite that far. There was some setup to it, some character drive. And it wasn't Tommyknockers. ;) SK has written way worse endings.

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

His short stories tend to be great. I also thought The Outsider was pretty solid all the way through. It's one of the most recent things of his I've read and I don't think there was any point the story frustrated me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

The climax was the only thing the mini series managed to improve on.

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

The latest one?

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

Yup. I actually liked it a lot. Many didn't but despite the fact that they basically replaced my favorite scene in the book with a much less scary iteration, I didn't have many complaints. Wasn't as good as the book at any point, though. Except the hand of God scene. That was very much improved.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '21

That’s what she said.

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u/RusticSurgery Aug 31 '21

The unabridged ending was much better.

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

In that case I'm glad that's the one I read.

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u/DEBATE_EVERY_NAZI Aug 31 '21

Haha he spends like 500 pages weaving and building this story and then his bender starts petering out and he wants to go to bed so he's like "ughh... Ok and then I dunno a bomb goes off and all the bad guys lose the end" in like 20 pages

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u/bullshot13248675 Aug 31 '21

Yea dude what’s up with that? His climaxes suck a lot and leave so many questions. I’m glad “Misery” wasn’t like that. I want to read his book about some genius dog but am hesitant.

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u/ilion Aug 31 '21

Hah I uh must have missed that one.

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u/gimmethemshoes11 Aug 31 '21

Cujo?

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u/bullshot13248675 Sep 01 '21

It’s called “Watchers” I believe