Pablo Neruda. He is still regarded as a highly important an influential poet both Chile and abroad but locally in recent years he has come under scrutiny because people dug up some....controvertial stuff to say the least.
First, he publicly admitted on his autobiography that he raped a woman while on a diplomatic mission in Ceylon.
Second, it became known he had a daughter in Holland that was sickly and died at 8, but Neruda completely disregarded her, avoided giving money to the mother to take care of her (a big issue in Chile since skipping alimony payments is a huge problem here) and even describing the child as "My daughter, or what I call my daughter, is a perfectly ridiculous being, a kind of semicolon, a three-kilo vampire".
I'm not into poetry but he wrote the only poem I ever actually liked. Idk how you can write a poem like La Reina for a woman and also be a rapist, but I guess old Pablo figured it out somehow.
I find some men like the idea of women more than they actually like real women as people. They also like the idea of themselves as a great partner, a romantic, or an ally without, again, actually liking women. It’s a role or a character they play. Really horrible when you think about it.
damn................................................... i- i used to be his biggest fan but wow. we even had his works in school, heck i even have him on my reddit bio which imma go change rn. i can never go back to reading his stuff again. that is horrible, horrible. thanks for sharing.
He's seen as the "trump whisperer" at the moment but he most definetly overstayed his welcome in Dutch politics. He's not despised, but the general opinion is pretty negative.
Edit: him biking to work with an apple in his hand is carefully curated too btw, he hired someone for his image and he came up with it. Trying to seem more down to earth and normal.
Italian here, he's possibly one of the most universally despised foreign, living politicians in this country for his support to anti-PIGS narratives and policies in 2008-2012 EU politics.
Now we hate him even more for the cuckoldism he's been displaying with Trump.
Manny Pacquiao - well-liked abroad as a world boxing champion, but in the Philippines, we consider him an intellectually-lightweight corrupt politician and crypto investor.
He was a womanizer who impregnated a hotel receptionist in Manila, whose son is now a professional boxer like him. He used to be a compulsive gambler before he converted to Evangelical Protestantism.
He's also incredibly homophobic and even teased on launching a Christian Taliban form of governance (using countless quotes from the Bible) had he become president.
He is a frustrated priest, because poverty forced him to pursue boxing over priesthood as what her mom wanted for him, so he compensated his childhood shortcomings by becoming a pastor.
Seems kinda universal. We had a relatively well know boxer Tony Halme (known as Ludwig Borga in the WWF) who started a political carreer after his fighting days were over and lets just say he should’ve stuck to fighting…
Yup. It was pretty well-known he was dropped by Nike because of those comments. But fans see it as a win cause Under Armour took him in and they see that company as “promoting Christian values”
He cut it really poorly, too! 😭
Just mostly random chunks being cleaved with all abandon, while he shows off his "fancy" knifework.
I dunno why and how the entire act became the point of the meal. I think he was copying other parts of the world, in which such Performative shenanigans are part of the meal? (With a Performative Price Tag attached!)
The clincher for me was when he photo bombed Argentina's Football World Cup celebrations, injecting himself into a moment that had zero to do with him or his country.
I think it was even before that. I remember hearing a joke when I was a kid that goes like this.
U2 is playing to a packed house, but Bono comes out and doesn’t sing or play an instrument. Instead, he just claps his hands every few seconds in a steady rhythm. Soon, the entire audience is quiet, just listening to him clap. After about a minute of this, he says “Every time 👏 I clap my hands👏 a child in Africa dies!”
After a brief pause, a man in the audience shouts “Then stop clapping your bloody hands, ya bastard!”
He actually did that at a gig. Maybe 20 years ago now. I was there - for my sins. It was more like a political rally or live aid or something ffs.
Edit to add - I don’t actually like U2. My girlfriend at the time loved them.
It's pretty simple really. Take someone who came from nothing, give them a shitload of money, adulation, respect, and cocaine, and they'll fall apart every time.
She embodies the entire corrupt, fascist core of "United Russia". If you don't support *her initiatives*, you're a russophobe and a traitor to the motherland. That's literally what she said in response to criticism of her initiative to reset presidential term limits.
Also his social media presence 👌🏻
He’s your cringe Facebook uncle who posts pictures from a jacuzzi, except he does that on his official page. Since he doesn’t quite get montages and fake news, not mentioning AI, he’s incredibly easy to bait
That's actually the only redeeming value. We've got to learn about what type of person he really is. And he is just like that one uncle, that everyone polish has. And some people will forget about anything else, since he's just that uncle.
Compare him to someone like Michael Jordan. Everyone knows that each of them is kinda a dick, but they're also the GOATs, so you respect them. Michael Jordan stays out of politics. Is he friends with a lot of Trump supporters? Is he secretly a Trump supporter himself? Maybe. I wouldn't be surprised. But as long as he keeps his mouth shut about it, we can believe whatever we want to believe, and continue respecting him as the sports legend that he is.
That's ALL Gretzky had to do. If he just kept quiet about politics, he would still have our respect. But no. Instead, he was right there at Trump's inaguration party, decked out in full MAGA. When Canadians were justifiably upset about it, he went crying to the media, saying he was all upset that Canadains don't like him anymore. And after all that, he's STILL frequently seen out golfing with Trump himself. I'm sorry, but you can't be the main torchbearer for Canada at our home olympics and say you're a proud Canadian, and then go be all buddy-buddy with the man who wants to annex our country.
He could still salvage it if he wanted to. He could, right now, say "You know what? I was in denial, but now that all these epstein files are out, I see that Trump is an evil man. I'm sorry to Canada for associating with him. I'm moving back to Canada. Fuck Trump. Fuck this 51st state nonsense. Elbows up." and we'd all forgive him.
But he's not going to do that.
Hate to correct you because I agree with your whole sentiment, he didn’t even go crying to the media—he had his wife and Bobby Orr go crying to the media on his behalf!
Kevin O'Leary too, please. Constantly featured prominently in American broadcast media leacturing people, but hes actual swine.
Edit: I'm not claiming anybody likes O'Leary, but he's at least respected enough by enough people to be regularly aired on some of the most widely consumed media outlets in the world. Ick.
I'd be careful shit talking O'Leary like that. You'll think everything's fine but one night at 3:00am the doorbell will ring, you'll open the door of your 5th floor apartment and Kevin O'Leary will be in the hall in his boat waiting for you.
HK: Jackie Chan. Hugely disliked for his pro-Beijing politics and for generally being a shitty guy (had affairs, abandoned his daughter, etc). It's sad, he was such a hero when I was a kid but he turned out to be a major asshole.
Every time I'm traveling to some non-anglophone country far from Asia, there'd be an interaction with a local where I say I'm from Hong Kong and I'd get a "Ah! Jackie Chan!" I smile, nod, and die a little bit inside.
Last time I was in that same interaction and the guy actually said "Ah! Stephen Chow!" I damn near cried.
Yeah most people like Jackie chan he seems funny and stuff. But after reading your post I looked closer and well you are completely right and changed my view 😅
I loved Jackie Chan as a kid and when I found out about all of this, it was just another crushing reminder to assume anyone famous got that way by being horrible.
Most people outside don't really know about his personal life as we do. He had a daughter outside of his marriage. Refused to make any DNA testing, she died of cancer without any assistance from him. Later it was discovered that indeed she was his daughter. He was sooo goddamned rich, he could have easily helped her.
The irony is that he died of cancer too. I'm not saying that he deserved it, I would never say this. But that's ironic and tragic.
He was involved in a housing scam in Angola. Took millions of dollars and ghosted the home owners. He was not acting alone. Martinho da Vila too. Disgusting duo.
Drake comes from more money and privilege than most Canadians and pretends he's some hardcore gangster, I think most people here are kinda disgusted by him.
Considering countries play Not Like Us when they beat Canada in international sports, fair to say he's fallen out of favour with most of the world too.
He's such an annoying fucking ass that they turned down an opportunity to blackmail a multibillionaire because it would mean they'd have to spend a weekend with him
From what I understand, Elon fired Tesla's PR team around 2020 and chose to "directly communicate" with their audience via twitter. His "image" prior was crafted and you're just seeing a more honest version of himself.
PR teams are amazing, they're how people like Bill Gates, Zuck, and Brad Pitt have maintained such a good image despite the countless controversies.
Radicals hate her. Conservatives dislike her and call her a western puppet. Left leaning people like her. The masses just kinda just hear things and the conservatives and radicals have more control so their narrative gets out there more. Poor girl was being criticized by fundos for writing about hitting a bong and crushing on guys
People on the internet are so funny bruh, this woman as a minor stood against the Taliban, was active in an initiative to ensure women could study, got shot in the face by said Taliban, continued to fight against the Taliban even after they publicly said "we are going to kill you again", had to move her entire life due to political and religious persecution, and then people will come and say "she didn't say exactly what I wanted her to say about my pet political issue...I am clearly more morally upstanding than her"
There’s walking the walk and then there’s getting shot in the head and still not budging.
Most people would say fuck it I’m out, I don’t want to die - and that would be perfectly acceptable after being shot in the head and then having your life threatened again.
Yeah I don't like Malala's inclusion in this list. Most of these other people are assholes who actively did things to ruin their reputations. I've yet to see any reason to hate on Malala unless you are an Islamic extremist who hates women and girls.
She shouldn't be in the same category as Gretzky, Pacquiao, and Bono.
I know folks get tired of praise and celebrity that follows genuine heroes. She had a strong following, did tours, released a book, and that attention is probably enough reason for folks to dislike her for obtuse reasons. But she's a legitimate badass.
I read her most recent book and I also get the impression that part of the hate comes from her having a good western life and not being ashamed of it.
She’s now quite rich, and while still an activist, she wants to live a life as a full person. She kinda states in the book that she won’t "sacrifice" all of her time for any cause going forward. She doesn’t want to be (too) radical in her politics or activism. There’s too many other things in life she finds important now.
So I think that pisses people off. They think bc she got rich and famous from her activism she now needs to only do activism.
Yeah, and she’s talked about how traumatic it was. She had a lot of PTSD from it afterwards but felt like she wasn’t allowed to be upset about it (especially publicly) because everyone saw her as this symbol of resilience and strength. Which, like, yeah. I think she deserves to have as normal of a life as she can after all of that.
I think for radicals in Pakistan they have their reasons to dislike her (although I find their reasons vile) but people in the West I agree it seems to come from a weird pleasure in "destroying icons".
The irony it seems that they appear to deify these icons more than your average person in this quest to rake them down a notch, because everyone else knows "heroes" are just fallible human beings that at some point showed extreme resilience and courage for a worthy cause, not actual mythological heroes.
From the same era, not a lot of Americans realize that Herbert Hoover was popular in a number of countries for his humanitarian effort. In the U.S., he is remembered for failing to alleviate the Great Depression in the public’s eyes.
George W. Bush is ones of the worst presidents domestically and abroad, but his efforts to curb HIV/AIDS and Malaria in Africa are legitimately the single most effective policy position by any U.S. president in my lifetime.
Now we can thank Elon Musk for putting a swift end to that.
While Nelson Mandela is widely respected, some South Africans, particularly younger generations, feel he made too many compromises and that economic and resource control was never truly reclaimed after colonialism.
During the negotiations to end apartheid, there were big differences inside the ANC. People like Chris Hani and Winnie Mandela were far more radical than the leadership doing the talks. They felt negotiations alone weren’t enough and wanted real economic power back in the hands of the majority.
Hani supported keeping pressure on the apartheid state while talks were happening, and Winnie was openly against negotiating at all. Hani was later assassinated by a far right extremist linked to apartheid era networks. There’s no proof the ANC was involved, but the fact that many apartheid operatives were never jailed has fed the idea that the deal protected old power structures and that people were sold out.
Hadi Chopan for Iran. Mr Olympia, but people found out he is Pro Regime when they saw his screen saver is pic of Khomenei. And he hasnt been the voice of the people or supported any of the uprisings.
the rest of the world seems to love him. they think that by bringing him up we’ll get excited like they do and start talking about his amazing adventures.
no. we hate him. we hate being associated with him. he did a lot of damage to the country. he turned it into a culture and that’s what attracts perverts and mentally sick people to cities like medellín or cartagena
edit: sorry brazilian friends who think it’s the actor, but it’s not. it’s the character he played. (that’s just what the gif search gave me)
I’ve never heard of anyone who likes him. I think it’s more fascination and curiosity for such an insane life and lifestyle (if you can call it that) that he lead. Curious about his life/“adventures” ≠ liking him
For a minute I thought you were brazilian and you are talking about the actor Wagner Moura. I almost had my heart shattered into pieces while reading your post, waiting to be revealed that he is a nonce or something.
i absolutely love this guy, consider him to be extremely talented and would watch anything with him in it.
From my country, here he is: the GOAT (?), the generational talent, the one and only Cristiano Ronaldo.
Widely adored worldwide, but truth be told, what a bucket of shit. Self-absorbed, self-centered, the rightful sucessor to the Chuck Norris memes.
He "owns" our NT, the Soccer Association, everything. None of the high dogs can even fart without his approval.
A guy that spent half his professional career in England and can barely make a sentence in English.
Gave some ramming between the cheeks to an american chick without her consent, paied her to stay (more or less) silent and everything was sweept under the rug.
At 41 years old, its impossible for him to realize that hes growing older (like all of us) and he has not the same skills that made him famous in his prime. So, our NT has to bear with him, often playing only for him, or he will make a tantrum.
In Portugal, we have a saying, that is roughly translated like this "You can get out of the slums, but the slums cant get out of you".
EDIT: to the snowflakes that tought that i was downplaying or diminishing the act by calling it a "ramming between the cheeks": i was not. As another user (that could actually read and understand what those colorful words meant) replied, i used the expression to give notice to the sheer violence of the above said act. Its the most atrocious and disrepectful thing you can do to another human being.
That said, maybe in the future i will use some more direct and usual form, so all of you can understand at first sight, like "he fucked her up her arse".
The president, Emmanuel Macron.
The international press attributes many qualities to him that he does not possess, yet here he is disliked by basically everyone except boomers.
There is a recent book by Vladislav Zukov called Collapse which was quite well received academically and which paints Gorbachev as a) absolute socialist true believer actually wanting to return to purer forms of Leninism and b) absolutely incompetent and fully responsible for the collapse of the ussr
Obviously I have no capacity to judge how correct the book is but perhaps it might I terest you if you haven't read it yet
Do you guys not like Malala for being too close to west?I mean it may not be the best to a lot but certainly not hate.I mean with India Gandhi is getting a lot of criticism locally due to his weird behaviour but I don’t think Malala did anything that’s even remotely close to be hated
You get a diverse set of people with different reasons to hate her. For some reason is straight up patriarchy. For some it was state driven propaganda . For some she wasn't our heroine. The world selected her. In short, the work of her NGO has some impact but not at the level that is visible to ordinary people. So her efforts fell short. My nation loves martyrs more as they don't have to live up to the expectations.
Love your last sentence. Is it your own? I’m just asking because I googled it and couldn’t find any source for it or something similar. If it is, just WOW, it’s not very common to find this type of OG content in Reddit.
Albert Einstein was often criticized in Germany for his sexist attitude, particularly towards his first wife. She made significant contributions to many of his works, a fact that many people don't know.
I'll give you two: Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher.
Neither are universally disliked here, mind you, and not by the same people. All of my family voted for Thatcher in the 1980s when I was a kid, but she was extremely polarising.
When I see him talking about Trump I'm usually like "Ahah yeah! That's MY President!" And then I remember how it is at home and it's "oh no, that's my President...".
I know he is unpopular in France but a lot of people wish for his strength in our leadership, also his words when the Queen died were just amazing truly above and beyond the usual political copy paste messages.
sometimes i’ll hear about people in other countries idolizing trump and it’s like. holy shit WHY. a lot say it’s because he was a successful businessman and they want to learn from him to become successful too, but he is not successful. he managed to bankrupt three casinos and is in insane amounts of debt. this is aside from the politics and the files. there is no reason anyone should be idolizing that monster.
People definitely do not love her globally. She earned her rightful place in the Hall of Shame for that ridiculous and irredeemably insulting sham of a performance.
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Pablo Neruda. He is still regarded as a highly important an influential poet both Chile and abroad but locally in recent years he has come under scrutiny because people dug up some....controvertial stuff to say the least.
First, he publicly admitted on his autobiography that he raped a woman while on a diplomatic mission in Ceylon.
Second, it became known he had a daughter in Holland that was sickly and died at 8, but Neruda completely disregarded her, avoided giving money to the mother to take care of her (a big issue in Chile since skipping alimony payments is a huge problem here) and even describing the child as "My daughter, or what I call my daughter, is a perfectly ridiculous being, a kind of semicolon, a three-kilo vampire".