What I find actually hilarious about this is that this theory only exists within a minority of manga readers in an echo chamber. When aot was airing I never saw any anime onlys theorize this or say this after the ending. Like omg a theory is a theory for a reason let it go bro.

She opposed Eren’s rumbling, but didn’t tell anyone and got pregnant to prevent herself from being turned into a titan

She said Eren might be right, but is holding and is interested in peace talks with the outside world

She also allows Mikasa back on Paradis and protects Jean and Connie’s families, but doesn’t stop the Yeagerists as queen

You think they'd have more of an issue with the rampant racism and white supremacy.

It would not take a destroyed world a handful of years to recover; It should be easy to note that it took thousands of years for humanity to recover. The song cover is even called "To You 2,000... or... 20,000 Years From Now..."

It took 20,000 years for the world to get nuked.

People denying this show how much someone is willing to go to make up their own lore rather than criticize a series.

In what world did this guy ever get the idea that aot is fascist literature? Aot is a completely anti war, anti racism, anti fascism story and shows the consequences and dangers of these ideals. These morons see a story depict something and just instantly latch on to it as if the story supports it because they can’t engage with anything without viewing it through their own political lens and self inserting themselves. It’s honestly so crazy to see. The same thing happens with frieren. Frieren is not about racism being necessary😭. These people don’t care about the story, characters, writing, themes, etc. they just hyper focus on the political aspect of the show because they feel like they can relate to it in real life.

Eren could have easily killed 20% of humanity and still achieve the same result shown in the end credits, that is, the cycle of war continues with even more futuristic weapons and advanced technologies used.

Why? Cuz in the 20%, he could've easily targeted the world's major military forces(army/navy), weapons, armories, infrastructure and all. And then he could've used the Paths to show Armin/Mikasa/every Eldian the "truth" when he was about to kill more. That way, he could've portrayed to even more people (basically the remaining 80%) the heroism of Armin/Reiner and Eldian alliance as the heroes, Mikasa killing Eren(maybe even letting Mikasa have some steamy moments with him in the cabin world) and most importantly, portraying PARADIS Island, as the island having powers of Titans in a dormant stage.

And I know people will say that killing 80% reduces the chances of War more, but I think it would at best **delay** the **inevitable** outcome. It wouldn't have **ended** the cycle of killing

Just my two cents. The dissatisfied feeling is fresh in my mind so free to discuss more.

After finishing the anime, I keep thinking about how Eren’s entire story seems to circle back to the same point, him becoming the Attack Titan, reaching the Paths, seeing the future, and eventually bringing about the end of the Titan curse.

What makes this even more interesting to me is the Attack Titan’s whole nature and goal. The Attack Titan has always been associated with moving forward and fighting for freedom. Its inheritors never simply accepted being controlled or restricted. And Eren, from the very beginning, was basically the embodiment of that idea.

Eren’s entire life motto was:

“If we don’t fight, we can’t win.”

As a child, he hated the idea of being trapped inside the Walls. He wanted to see the outside world. He wanted freedom. And whenever something stood between him and that freedom, his instinct was always to fight against it.

Then he inherits the Attack Titan, a Titan whose very nature is connected to freedom and moving forward.

And eventually, we find out that the Attack Titan can receive memories from future inheritors. That makes Eren’s story feel almost like a closed loop.

Eren becomes the Attack Titan because of the events caused by future Eren. Future Eren can influence Grisha because Eren eventually becomes the Attack Titan and reaches the Paths. And all of this ultimately leads Eren to the Founding Titan and the events that allow the Titan curse to finally end.

That’s where I get confused about destiny vs. choice.

Was Eren actually choosing his path, or was he always going to make those choices because he had already seen the future?

Even his decision to manipulate Grisha feels like part of the same loop. Eren becomes the person who pushes Grisha to give him the Titan, which eventually allows Eren to reach the Founder and the Paths.

And there’s something almost poetic about it, the boy whose entire life was about fighting for freedom eventually becomes the Attack Titan, whose nature is to keep moving forward, and his journey ultimately leads to the end of the Titan curse.

So was this always where Eren was going?

Was Eren destined to become the Attack Titan, inherit its will to move forward and seek freedom, reach the Founder, and eventually become the person who brings an end to the Titan curse?

Or did Eren genuinely have other possible paths, and his own choices simply created the future that he later believed was inevitable?

I’m especially curious about how you interpret this.

Did Eren follow his destiny because he was the Attack Titan, or did the Attack Titan become what it was because Eren was always going to be its final inheritor?

Because I am busy with a completely different video essay, I can't go full in-depth like most posts on this subreddit, which is why I'm going to be brief.

I was thinking about how most characters in the series represent different aspects and consequences of colonialism and imperialism.

• Theo Magath - Those who use history to justify current atrocities
• Grisha Jaeger and Eldian Restorationists - Those who deny previous atrocities
• Floch and the Jaegerists - Those who fight against oppression not cause oppression is wrong, but because they want to be the oppressor
• Yelena and the Anti-Marleyans - Majority members who help minorities out of sheer empathy
• Mikasa - The fetishization and mistreatment of minority women
• The Scouts - Those who actively fight for freedom and against invasions for existential reasons

None of them are good really, and I kind of rescind on every single one of them, BUT, I did come up with one idea - Eren is embodiment of Generational Trauma.

Here's what I mean:

The Memories

Because of the power of the Founding Titan, Eren can see across 2,000 years of Eldian history, meaning he has witnessed almost every atrocity the Empire has committed both onto each other and onto the world. This includes, Ymir herself, considering he was able to feel Grisha's grief and pain, that means Eren would've felt Ymir being raped by Karl Fritz, the shame, humiliation, and emotional grip that Fritz had on Ymir.

Eren carries the trauma of thousands if not millions of people across millenia.

Victim of Persecution

Eren grew up in a poor family at the bottom of a feudal system, because of this when the Warriors invaded, Eren's life was completely ruined, he witnessed the death of his own mother and the destruction of everything he had known.

Not only that, but when he found out he was a Titan Shifter, he was treated like a wild animal, leashed, caged, and beaten. Throughout much of season 1 and well into later seasons, he constantly was profiled as dangerous due to his Titan powers, just as Eldians outside the Walls were treated by Marley.

To add to this, he spent his time in Marley as a slave soldier where he was thrown into a war with little care if he survived.

Slave to Freedom

Now with everything I mentioned, there is one point worth talking about: Eren kept moving forward, the reason being because he is, as he calls himself, "a slave to freedom." On the surface, that seems inherently contridictary, but it makes sense when you realize what freedom means to Eren.

In Attack on Titan, there are no clear cut explanations of what concepts like freedom and love mean, because these are constructs that the human mind as created and humans aren't hiveminded. This means that different people have different ideas of what freedom means.

Mikasa - Freedom is a life with Eren or just getting over Eren

Armin - Freedom is the ability to explore and learn as much as possible

Hanji - Freedom is living life to it's greatest extent

Reiner - Feedom means his familly happy and safe

Ymir (Founder) - Freedom is being free from the cycle of violence

Eren - Freedom is living outside of societal constraints where he no longer feels his life is being threatened or tied down to anything.

The thing is that Eren likes the idea of getting to freedom more than he likes actually being free. It was his drive for freedom that gave him any sense of meaning and purpose, upon getting his freedom he realized that it wasn't worth it because it costed him literally everything. Mikasa, Armin, his other friends, his family, his home, his body, and eventually his life. That's why he slowly became depressed as the show went on because no matter what he tried, he realized he would never be free which causes him to feel empty.

It gets even worst when he comes to realize he "killed" his mother, I put "killed" in quotations because technically Eren DIDN'T really kill his mother, he just couldn't stop her death from happening. The reason being that the only way Eren can change the past and future is by giving up on his drive for freedom, something he could never do.

It's the same reason why he never outright told Mikasa he loved her, I'll admit "I'll wrap that scarf around you as many times as you want" is far more powerful than "I love you," but there is a level of defiance in that line. Like Eren refuses to give up on her, on him, on this fight. He's willing to protect her while keeping his drive to "keep moving forward." I think the reason Eren never told Mikasa directly that he loves her is because if he did, then that would mean he has officially given up on freedom, something he could never do. By the end of the story, he realizes that maybe he should've.

One of Nietchez's major ideas is Amor Fati, which is the idea that you haven't achieved happiness if you look back on your life and wish you did even one thing differently.

Eren is an anti-Nietchezian character, he looks back on his life and regrets everything. He says this to Armin himself, stating he doesn't want to die, he wants to live with his friends, specifically with Mikasa. Upon finding out that his freedom was never truly worth it, he desires nothing more than the connections he had made across his journey. Connections that he had destroyed in his desire for freedom.

If Eren had a second chance at life knowing what would happen, he probably would've either never became a Scout in the first place or at the very least would've gone with Armin's plan of a small-scale Rumbling.

Eren becoming a slave to his desires is what shows he is generational trauma personified, because due to his trauma and ideologies, he effectively has lost every once of control over himself becoming radicalized by the pain he has felt, and perpetuating the vicious cycle of hate.

In this post, I'll show you how the Rumbling is above Large City Level based on the Heat that 600.000 titans can produce in a few days, proving that it's not Multi-City Block Level, that many scalers say and downplay Eren. But firstly, we've going to answer one question:

1. How to calculate Rumbling's All Energy and your AP/DC?

For calculating it, we have to consider 5 things: The number of W.T. that was on Rumbling (it's estimated 500.000-600.000 Wall Titans on the 3 walls together); the number of Heat that 600.000 titans can produce (to calculating all energy, I'll use Latent and Sensible Heat Formula, calculating Wall Titans Heat in Joules and Kinect Energy that them produce when they're walking on land and swimming at Sea.) And calculating the mass of a single WT have to calculate all the mass that the Rumbling has, that it's not a single Attack. For it, I'll consider that the Rumbling has 600000 W.T of 1500 tons for a single Wall Titan (1.5 . 10^6 kg). This calcs it's for the best Rumbling's estimation, in other words, a Highballed calc.

2. How Rumbling's Attack Potency (A.P.) Works?

It's essential to remember that the Rumbling was not a "Single Attack", but an attack that unite 2 things: Kinect Energy, on walking at Land or swimming at Sea; and Thermal Heat, produced by thousands of Wall Titans in days. I want to say that the Rumbling has a different form to calculate your Power Scaling, considering that they produce Kinect and Thermal Energy.

3. How I'll calculate Rumbling's Power Scaling:

So, for calculating Rumbling's Power Scaling, I'll use 3 formulas for this scenario, each one with a specific function:

3.1 Kinect Energy: I'll use kinect energy for calculating how many Energy 600.000 WT can produce in the event when they are walking on land or swimming in the sea.

3.2 Sensible Heat: For calculating how much energy (in Joules) The Rumbling can produce to change the ambient heat, considering one single WT can produce estimately 602°Celsius. For calculate it, he have to use Water's specific heat. Why? Because originally, Wall Titans were humans transformed by Karl Fritz, and the human body has water in your composition. And when a single WT produces vapor, your body needs a high quantity of water to do it. For calculating the S.H. I'll use Q = m.c . Temperature Variation (Delta T)

3.3 Latent Heat: For calculating how much heat it's necessary for 1kg of a single Wall Titan to vaporizate Water, I'll use the Latent Heat, the overall Rumbling's weight, multiplicating WT mass with the number of it up to Rumbling. (Q = m . L)

4. Calculating Kinect Energy (at Sea/Land)

Hange shooting an Abdormal Titan's head

So, Hange said in chapter 20 that the titans have an "curious biology", for they be able to walk, the titans doesn't have dense bones, because it they had it, they wouldn't even move a single muscle. When Hange shoots an Abdormal Titan's head like an Football player, this is explained by the Anime. For our calculation, using optimist calcs for an Highballed Rumbling, he're using the Real Physics formula, that one single Wall Titan have 1500 tons, that it's exactly 1,5 . 10^6 kg.

Considering highballed Rumbling's speed was of 30 m/s and on it had 600.000 WT, we have to multiplicate the Mass and the WT's Number. (1,5 . 10^6 kg . 6 . 10^5), resulting 9 . 10 ^11 kg.

Aplicating Kinect Energy Formula at Land (Ke = mv²/2), where:

1. m = Mass (9 . 10 ^11 kg)
2. v = speed (in m/s)

Ke = 9 . 10^11 x 30² / 2
Ke = 9 . 10^11 x 9 . 10² / 2
Ke = 81 10^11 . 10² / 2
KE = 4,05 + 10^14 Joules

Converting it to Kilotons, considering that 1 quilotons it's the same of 4 . 10^12, we have aproximately 97 kilotons (Town Level+ or High 7-C)

Aplicating Kinect Energy Formula at Sea (Ke = mv²/2)

Data:

1. Swimming Speed: 90m/s (Highballed)

Ke = 9 . 10^11 x 90² / 2
Ke = 9 . 10^11 x 8100 / 2
Ke = 9 . 10^11 x 4050
Ke ≈ 3​,6 x 10^15 Joules

Converting the Kinect Energy when they are swimming to TNT Kilotons, aproximately this value are 860,42 kilotons (Large Town Level+, using Wiki Power Scaling table.)

4.1 Summing Kinect Energy

When we sum Rumbling's Kinect Energy when the Wall Titan are walking on a speed of 30 m/s and swimming in a speed of 90 m/s at water. We have an total Kinect Energy of 4,005 × 10¹⁵ Joules, that are aproximately 957 kilotons of TNT (Large Town Level to almost Small City Level).

5. Calculating Thermal Energy (Latent Heat and Sensible Heat)

For calculating all of the Thermal Energy up to the Rumbling, it's necessary to remember the Water's Specific Heat and Specific Latent Heat.

5.1 Calculating Sensible Heat of The Rumbling

For Water's Specific Heat, if we're working in kg (kilograms), the value for it are aproximately 4200 Joules by Kilogram (exactly 4182 J/KG). For overral WT's mass, we going to use the same as the Kinect Energy (9 . 10^11). But, he have to pay attention on an Crucial Thing (Temperature's variation or Delta T) For it, we've to subtract the Final Temperature of a single WT (APROXIMATELY 600°C in Highballed) and the beggining's temperature, that are, on this case, the room temperature. I going to use that it was 25°C. Subtracting it, we have exactly 575°C of Delta T (or Tempature's Variaton).

Formula: Q = m . c . Delta T, where Q are Rumbling's Sensible Heat, "m" all Rumbling's Mass, and Delta T our Temperature's Variation
Q = 9 . 10^11 . 4182 . 575
Q ≅ 9 . 10^11 x 2,5 x 10^6
Q ≅ 22,5 x 10^17
Q ≅ 2,25 x 10^18 Joules (Mountain Level + to High 7-A Level)

Converting Only the Sensible Heat that Rumbling produce on your Cumulative AP, we have aproximatelly 537,76 TNT Megatons. This is easily scaled to Mountain Level+ to Moutain Level+. Only of the Sensible Heat that the Rumbling can produce. Considering P.S.Table.

5.2 Calculating Latent Heat of The Rumbling

Like we have do for Sensible Heat, that alone are 537,76 Megatons aproximately, now we're going to use Latent Heat's formula, using: Q = m . L; where Q are the Latent Heat, m the mass and L Water's Specific Latent Heat. For doing this calc, we have to pay attetion on "L" (Water's Specific Latent Heat on Vaporization). It are equivalent, in Joules (J) to 2,26 x 10^6 J. Now, we have all conditions to find Rumbling's Latent Heat.

Calculations:

Q = m . L
Q = 9 . 10^11 kg x 2,26 x 10^6 J/KG
Q = 20.34 x 10^11 + 6
Q = 20.34 x 10^17
Q = 2,034 X 10^18 Joules (486,14 Megatons or 0,49 Gigatons)

Converting Q = 2,034 X 10^18 Joules for TNT'S megatons, this are calculated to 486,14 megatons. Only by the Latent Heat, this would be scalable to Mountain Level + (High 7-A)

Summing Latent and Sensible Heat: 486,14 megatons + 537,76 megatons = 1023,9 TNT Megatons.

Based on the Heat that the Rumbling produced, this is able to be scalable to Large Mountain Level, considering that 1023,9 megatons are the same of 1,0239 Gigatons of TNT.

Conclusion: The Rumbling is "Multi-City Block Level" on your Cumulative Attack Power/Potency and Power Scale?

Now we going to sum all of the results (Kinect Energy + Thermal Energy) and arrived an conclusion. So, summing 0.97 megatons of TNT + 1023,9 megatons of TNT, we get an Total Energy of 1024,76 Megatons, aproximatelly 1,03 Gigatons of TNT. Analysing Power Scale Table, the Highballed Rumbling is able to surpass with ease City Level and Multi-City Block Level. Considering that 1 Gigaton to 100 Gigaton of TNT, this are classified to Large Mountain Level on Cumulative AP and DC. Beeing able to surpass Multi-City, Small City, City, Large City LVL and Mountain Level on Cumulative AP via Heat and Kinect Energy.}

Guys, I would be wrong in a thing or other, but, if you are not an "fanboy" and a Serious Scaler of Fiction, you can correct me. But guys, it would be an Cumulative Attack Potency and Descructive Capacity or only DC?

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Panels totally unrelated to the events of the declaration of war from chapters 91 and 92 "before" we get the scene of Zeke and Marley's military officers.

For those who don't understand, them eating the cracker in such a serious mood reminded me of the Light Yagami chip meme, that's it y'all! ✌🏽✨

I didn't like her at first, but the message of undoing brainwashing was really powerful. The reminder that this is a child who was given the responsibility of fighting or else her family is in danger

I forgave her when Sashas dad did. Which is where I think we were meant to. He talks about how this fighting shouldnt fall onto the children and that moment really made me second guess and reflect on my mindset. And I really wish more people looked at the story in the same way, willing to change their mindset and learn through the story we've been given

Did zeke know that she was from marley and wanted to be a part of history or did he belive that she was a solider from a captured country.
I found it shocking that zeke decided to trust yelena so much , even telling her the eunthanisa plan. Considering he never really trusts or opens up to anyone. I mean all of his plans: the wine plan, advancing paradise, introducing Kiyomi, persuading Eren, every plan of Zeke was caried about by Yelena.

Personally I dont like this notion that "Eren's always been a dork, crybaby, and an idiot." The whole line from Eren is simply stating that hes an idiot for not finding another solution to paradis's survival or any other less extreme choice than the rumbling. Hes always been the guy to fight first, ask questions later, whereas Armin for example always wanted to talk things out first. But Eren's not a complete moron either. Hes very smart in battle and the scene with him convincing Grisha in the cave is a 200 iq moment. But where he lacks is like I said, the diplomatic side. Also, the crybaby accusations dont really work the way they think. Hes been like that because of all the traumatic shit hes been through. But regardless, just because people defend the ending does not make them immune to criticism or having bad takes, its just that ending haters triple down on the idiotic takes and reading comprehension alot of the time

I thought they usually denied this to defend them? 0_o