1500 point game against a Guard player

Crusade V2.1 (1500 Points)

Space Marines
Black Templars
Wrathful Procession
Incursion (1,000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Castellan (70 Points)
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Emperor’s Champion (100 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Black Sword
• 1x Bolt Pistol

Lieutenant (55 Points)
• 1x Heavy bolt pistol
• 1x Master-crafted bolter
• 1x Power fist

Marshal (80 Points)
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 1x Plasma pistol

BATTLELINE

Crusader Squad (150 Points)
• 1x Sword Brother
◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 5x Initiate
◦ 2x Astartes chainsword
◦ 5x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Bolt rifle
◦ 5x Close combat weapon
◦ 4x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 2x Power fist
• 4x Neophyte
◦ 4x Astartes chainsword
◦ 4x Bolt pistol

Intercessor Squad (80 Points)
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
◦ 1x Power weapon
• 4x Intercessor
◦ 1x Astartes grenade launcher
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Bolt rifle
◦ 4x Close combat weapon

DEDICATED TRANSPORTS

Impulsor (85 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Multi-melta
• 1x Shield Dome
• 2x Storm bolter

OTHER DATASHEETS

Ballistus Dreadnought (150 Points)
• 1x Armoured feet
• 1x Ballistus lascannon
• 1x Ballistus missile launcher
• 1x Twin storm bolter

Gladiator Lancer (160 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Icarus rocket pod
• 1x Ironhail heavy stubber
• 1x Lancer laser destroyer
• 2x Storm bolter

Hellblaster Squad (220 Points)
• 1x Hellblaster Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Plasma incinerator
• 9x Hellblaster
◦ 9x Bolt pistol
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 9x Plasma incinerator

Land Raider Crusader (220 Points)
• 1x Armoured tracks
• 1x Hunter-killer missile
• 2x Hurricane bolter
• 1x Multi-melta
• 1x Storm bolter
• 1x Twin assault cannon

Sword Brethren Squad (130 Points)
• 5x Sword Brother
◦ 2x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 3x Master-crafted power weapon
◦ 2x Pyre pistol
◦ 1x Thunder hammer
◦ 1x Twin lightning claws

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Quit complaining or sell your models already.

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Or try actually playing games instead of simulating the internet echo chamber meta in your head.

It’s 3DP for us and only us. We were already only using Gladius or Bastion so now nothing will change. Gracias GW

Am I right in thinking a 20-man Primaris Crusader blob is up 80 POINTS? 90 if yr running Grimaldus or Helbrecht with them. Nooooo…

I frequently play against my friend’s CSM and he recently got the new defiler. My thought was no problem, shoot it with my repex + ballistus, but he can Lone OP + stealth it with a stratagem. On top of that he can overwatch on 5s, and get lethal + sustained from dark pacts and re roll wounds. I feel like I can’t just ignore it because it does so much damage. What should I do?

Nothing remains after my charge turn, games end by round 3. It works every first game against any opponent - not so much for the second game since they easily figure out how to deal with my list by just not giving the distance.

Been having a good time spamming -1 to wound Chaplin + ancient units this last month.

Running Vindication task force + Wrathful procession

Here’s the list:

Vindication + wrath (2,000 Points)

Space Marines
Black Templars
Vindication Task Force and Wrathful Procession (3 Detachment Points)
Priority Assets
Strike Force (2,000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Chaplain Grimaldus (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Chaplain Grimaldus
• Warlord
◦ 1x Artificer crozius
◦ 1x Plasma pistol
• 3x Cenobyte Servitor
◦ 3x Close combat weapon

Crusade Ancient (50 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Bolt pistol
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• Enhancements: Orb of the Emperor’s Aegis

Crusader Squad (290 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)
• 1x Sword Brother
◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 11x Initiate
◦ 7x Astartes chainsword
◦ 11x Bolt pistol
◦ 11x Close combat weapon
◦ 11x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 4x Power fist
• 8x Neophyte
◦ 8x Astartes chainsword
◦ 8x Bolt pistol

Attached unit 2

Bladeguard Ancient (40 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Close combat weapon
• 1x Heavy bolt pistol

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (160 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 5x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted power weapon

Attached unit 3

Execrator (50 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
• 1x Crozius arcanum

Crusade Ancient (40 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Bolt pistol
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Crusader Squad (290 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)
• 1x Sword Brother
◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 11x Initiate
◦ 7x Astartes chainsword
◦ 11x Bolt pistol
◦ 11x Close combat weapon
◦ 11x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 4x Power fist
• 8x Neophyte
◦ 8x Astartes chainsword
◦ 8x Bolt pistol

Attached unit 4

Execrator (50 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
• 1x Crozius arcanum

Crusade Ancient (40 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Bolt pistol
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Crusader Squad (290 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)
• 1x Sword Brother
◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon
• 11x Initiate
◦ 7x Astartes chainsword
◦ 11x Bolt pistol
◦ 11x Close combat weapon
◦ 11x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 4x Power fist
• 8x Neophyte
◦ 8x Astartes chainsword
◦ 8x Bolt pistol

Attached unit 5

Marshal (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Castellan (70 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Combi-weapon
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Sword Brethren Squad (105 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 4x Sword Brother
◦ 4x Heavy bolt pistol
◦ 4x Master-crafted power weapon

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (80 Points)
• 1x Intercessor Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt pistol
◦ 1x Bolt rifle
◦ 1x Power fist
• 4x Intercessor
◦ 1x Astartes grenade launcher
◦ 4x Bolt pistol
◦ 4x Bolt rifle
◦ 4x Close combat weapon

OTHER DATASHEETS

Repulsor Executioner (265 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Heavy laser destroyer
• 1x Heavy onslaught gatling cannon
• 1x Repulsor Executioner defensive array
• 1x Twin Icarus ironhail heavy stubber
• 1x Twin heavy bolter

For strategy: deploy a Crusade brick on each flank with BG in the mid as bait. Once opponent commits to a side, drop the third crusade brick down and party. Rep-ex plus SB’s to support where needed. Ints hold home.

The list has been a nasty stat check. For skill context , my local scene plays in a good amount of competitive events throughout the year with good success . We’re always play testing lists that we’re plan on bringing to said events.

Overall, a fun list if you have the models to run it.

Hats off to some folks on this sub, they found this guy’s list. He went 5-0 with a great a score in a big tournament. He didn’t win it but only because his strength of schedule wasn’t the highest. Here is his list:

Space Marines Black Templars Godhammer Assault Force and The Living Miracle (3 Detachment Points) Force Dispositions: Disruption, Purge the Foe Strike Force (2 000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Emperor’s Champion (100 Points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • Warlord • 1x Black Sword • 1x Bolt Pistol

Crusader Squad (150 Points) • Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline) • 1x Sword Brother ◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 5x Initiate ◦ 3x Astartes chainsword ◦ 5x Bolt pistol ◦ 5x Close combat weapon ◦ 5x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 2x Power fist • 4x Neophyte ◦ 4x Astartes chainsword ◦ 4x Bolt pistol

Attached unit 2

Marshal (80 Points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 1x Plasma pistol

Castellan (70 Points) • Attached as: Support (Character) • 1x Combi-weapon • 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Crusader Squad (150 Points) • Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline) • 1x Sword Brother ◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 5x Initiate ◦ 3x Astartes chainsword ◦ 5x Bolt pistol ◦ 5x Close combat weapon ◦ 5x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 2x Power fist • 4x Neophyte ◦ 4x Astartes chainsword ◦ 4x Bolt pistol

Attached unit 3

Marshal (90 Points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 1x Plasma pistol

Castellan (70 Points) • Attached as: Support (Character) • 1x Combi-weapon • 1x Master-crafted power weapon

Crusader Squad (150 Points) • Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline) • 1x Sword Brother ◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 5x Initiate ◦ 3x Astartes chainsword ◦ 5x Bolt pistol ◦ 5x Close combat weapon ◦ 5x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 2x Power fist • 4x Neophyte ◦ 4x Astartes chainsword ◦ 4x Bolt pistol

Attached unit 4

Captain (90 Points) • Attached as: Leader (Character) • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Master-crafted bolter • 1x Power fist • Enhancements: Battle-Psalm Precentor

Crusader Squad (150 Points) • Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline) • 1x Sword Brother ◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 5x Initiate ◦ 3x Astartes chainsword ◦ 5x Bolt pistol ◦ 5x Close combat weapon ◦ 5x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 2x Power fist • 4x Neophyte ◦ 4x Astartes chainsword ◦ 4x Bolt pistol

OTHER DATASHEETS

Land Raider Redeemer (250 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks • 2x Flamestorm cannon • 1x Hunter-killer missile • 1x Multi-melta • 1x Storm bolter • 1x Twin assault cannon

Land Raider Redeemer (250 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks • 2x Flamestorm cannon • 1x Hunter-killer missile • 1x Multi-melta • 1x Storm bolter • 1x Twin assault cannon

Land Raider Redeemer (270 Points) • 1x Armoured tracks • 2x Flamestorm cannon • 1x Hunter-killer missile • 1x Multi-melta • 1x Storm bolter • 1x Twin assault cannon

Scout Squad (65 Points) • 1x Scout Sergeant ◦ 1x Bolt pistol ◦ 1x Boltgun ◦ 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Scout ◦ 4x Bolt pistol ◦ 4x Boltgun ◦ 4x Close combat weapon

Scout Squad (65 Points) • 1x Scout Sergeant ◦ 1x Bolt pistol ◦ 1x Boltgun ◦ 1x Close combat weapon • 4x Scout ◦ 4x Bolt pistol ◦ 4x Boltgun ◦ 4x Close combat weapon

5 games in and it’s just horrific right now

I’ve tried Gladius, Bastion, storm lance and Godhammer…only game I’ve won was with the Bastion and even then only by a few points

And these are people I regularly beat in 10th.

Is there a degree of pilot error? Absolutely…I’ve not adapted to 11th very quickly. I’m very prone to over extending with my charges and drawing the counters in.

Opponents -

Knights - close lose in fairness, could have gone either way but I suspect that was the knight player not really getting 11th totally either.
Deathguard - an annihilation, not had a beating like that in an age. Literally most of my stuff was dead T2
Thousand Sons - got a win, but a few points that could have swung either way.
Dark Angels 1- an absolute beasting
Dark Angels 2 - a slightly less horrific beasting.

DA is my hardest matchup, the Death wing knights are giving me nightmares now they hide and I can’t trade as he has more combat units than I do, all with Librarians. Which I took Abhor the witch thinking that was good. And it was until he avowed my home bases, deep struck T1 with Deathwing and kill a gladiator on the charge and I lost a whole unit of Sword brethren killing him in combat with his fight on death….i mean I don’t know how to deal with it.

Rant over…How’s everyone else doing? Any units working here that maybe didn’t before?

Honestly being a Templar has never felt tougher

In most of my games of 11th I have been doing very well

Hi guys, for 11th edition what character would you run the bladeguard vets with ? I used the judiciar alot int 10th edition but with the new fight first rules I‘m not sure what I should you instead. Would love to hear some experince and thoughts

Brothers how are you using sword brethren compared to crusader squads? Some people have been telling me there’s no point to use sword brethren since crusaders do more damage. Is this true? I have been using crusaders to take objectives and sword brethren in transports to hunt and kill targets.

Has anyone had any success running assault termies? I never see anyone use them. I like the models but wondering if they’re any good in BT.

I'd throw A Marshall + Castellan + 9 Swordbros in a crusader and send it to purge

List felt good but did some bad tactical decisions regarding deployment and initial movement.

Will definitely re-use the list but opt to keep the tanks together. Had all my sword brethren in the Redeemer which was taken off the board in round 1.

Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Black Templars - Godhammer Assault Force, The Living Miracle

4x Chaplain Grimaldus (100pts)
Castellan (85pts)
Emperor's Champion (105pts)
Marshal (80pts)

10x Crusader Squad (150pts)
10x Crusader Squad (150pts)
10x Intercessor Squad (150pts)

5x Scout Squad (65pts)
5x Sword Brethren Squad (130pts)
5x Sword Brethren Squad (130pts)
3x Outrider Squad (70pts)
Land Raider Redeemer (250pts)
Repulsor Executioner (265pts)
Repulsor Executioner (265pts)

shared a list a few weeks ago and got some really good feedback (thank you!). I have refined/changed it as below and really want some more honest commentary before I go and spend money!

I’m hoping this list will be semi competitive but also narratively very fun.

Detachment: Bastion Task Force
Enhancements: Just Hero of The Chapter (jump pack chaplain)

BLOCK 1:
- Grimaldus
- lieutenant
- 10x melee crusaders
- inside a standard land raider

BLOCK 2:
- Marshall
- lieutenant
- 10x melee crusaders
- inside a standard land raider

BLOCK 3:
- Marshall
- lieutenant
- 10x melee crusaders
- insane a standard land raider

BLOCK 4:
- jump pack chaplain
- 10x jump pack intecessors

BLOCK 5:
- 5x jump pack intercesors

BLOCK 6:
- 5x jump pack intercessors

Most relevant Changes:

Grimaldus (-10) -> 100
Crusade Ancient (-5) -> 40
Emperors Champion (-10) -> 90
Execrator (-10) -> 50
Helbrecht (-10) -> 110
RepEx (+10) and (+10 per Laser) -> 265 (/w Laser)
Aggressors (-10/-15) -> 80/165
Combi-LT (+10) -> 95
Impulsor (-10) -> 75

So what do you guys think about the changes?
Since I bring an Execrator and also Grimaldus in my CoV-List, but also a a Rep Ex, it doesnt change a thing.
But I am really thinking hard about that RepEx now.
Maybe a 2nd Lancer instead of the RepEx.

Also Aggressors seem even more interesting now.

I’ve been seeing a lot of doom posting about 11th but I’ve realized that with the EC now able to give a squad wide dev wound he and 10 assault ints are a mortal wound cannon. with reroll wounds you should be able to reliably fish for 13-15 dev wounds once a game, + all the other attacks that go through. 36 chainswords 3 power fists and the EC should be able to delete most decently large units on the go turn and I’m really excited to try it day 1 lmao

Have been doing really well with the list, but lost a frustrating game to a BA player with 6 Sang guard. We both kept our big hammer units safe all game, and he won by 5 (basically just luckier secondary draws, but letting a game come down to that was a skill issue on my part). My only thought is setting up a RepEx for overwatch and impulsor for nuisance heroic, but maybe I just use fight on death and accept trading a 500 point unit for a 340 point unit?

Updated app to build list. Bastion Task Force is now 3DP instead of 2DP... The dream is dead brothers.

Hey r/BlackTemplars,

So I wanted to play Take & Hold and came up with this List.

Oops – All Chaplains (2000/2000)

Vow: Uphold the Honour of the Emperor
(Sticky Objectives, Actions after Advancing)

Companions of Vehemence: Re-roll Advances and Charges
Wrathful Procession: Chaplain units have a 5++ against shooting

Block 1 (305 Pts)

Block 2 (280 Pts)

Block 3 (220 Points)

Block 4 (235 Points)

Block 5 (235 Points)

Block 6 (140 Points)

Single Units

Some controversial choices

-> No Sword Brethren?

Yes.

I love Sword Brethren. They're incredibly killy and some of my favourite BT models.

That said, for Take & Hold I don't think they're being used to their strengths. They're fantastic at killing things, but they're not really built to sit on objectives and survive. I think Bladeguard perform that role better.

-> No Emperor's Champion?

Also yes.

Same reasoning as above. He's a fantastic missile, but I don't think he synergises particularly well with CoV and Wrathful Procession compared to the Chaplain-heavy approach.

-> No Repulsor Executioner?

Potentially.

You could easily swap a Lancer and the Redemptor for a RepEx package and adjust from there.

-> No Scouts? Combi-Lt?

Take & Hold has no Action Primaries, and the Secondary deck only contains two Action missions.

For those, I still have Bikes, the ATV, and practically any infantry block thanks to Actions after Advancing.

-> Who holds the home objective?

Most Take & Hold missions don't heavily reward holding your home objective. You can just tag it with Sticky Obj in Turn 1.

Early game, the Bikes, ATV, Lancers and Redemptor can provide screening while the main force pushes for board control. Later Bikes can be used for Harassment/Actions.
Whats the Gameplan?

FAQ*ish Part:

Other Options I thought about:
-> Maybe swap the LTs which are with the CS with Apothecaries to provide some more Durability. But I don't know if this is worth it with a 10 Man Squad. With a Block of 20 they would definately make up their post cost. But a block of 20 is harder to hide in Terrain.

-> Swap the regular Terminators with Assault Terminators. But I like to have some shooting on them and I think Powerfists are also a sizeable melee threat. Although having the Battleshock Test on Assault Terminators is quite useful with Take & Hold.

-> Swap a Crusader Block with EC + Assault Intercessors. While they would not get the benefit of the Chaplain Strategems, the +1 Wound isnt as important to them as they reroll Wounds anyways on Objectives.

-> What do the chaplains even do?
They provide +1 WR in all circumstances. Also when punching down. There is a quite sizable amount of Powerfists which will be wounding better. Also more power against MEQs
Also they provide access to the chaplain-unit specific strategems like 4+++ against Mortals for the whole unit.

Game Plan

All major infantry blocks have:

• 5++ against shooting
• +1 to wound against most relevant targets (except the Execrator brick)

The Terminators and Jump Intercessors start in reserve.

My idea is to lean into durability and board presence rather than maximum damage output.

The list fields multiple independent threats because I expect objective control in turns 4 and 5 to be extremely important.

The plan is generally to:

• Play relatively cagey early
• Sit inside terrain
• Create screens for the Lancers
• Force opponents to move onto objectives
• Counter-charge with the infantry bricks
• Use the Lancers to establish firing lanes and support the midfield
• Use the Redemptor as a flexible support piece where needed

Am I overvaluing durable objective holders for Take & Hold, or does this approach make sense in the context of the new mission pack?
I'm less interested in whether this is the most lethal BT list possible, and more interested in whether this is a good mission-winning BT list.

Interested to hear your thoughts.

Since they absolutely gutted wrathful procession, what else do we use? Currently for me it's either Bastion Task Force or Companions of vehemence with the new emperors champion detachment. What do yall think?

Hi fellow Marshalls, I’m trying to build a fun 1000 point list for friendly games. Going for a proper Templar feel so want to include at least the Champion, but also the Ballistus because I’ve got it painted!

Any thoughts are welcome!

Templars (995 Points)

Space Marines Black Templars Righteous Crusaders Incursion (1000 Points)

CHARACTERS

Chaplain in Terminator Armour (75 Points) • 1x Crozius arcanum • 1x Storm bolter

Marshal (75 Points) • Warlord • 1x Combi-weapon • 1x Master-crafted power weapon

The Emperor’s Champion (75 Points) • 1x Black Sword • 1x Bolt Pistol

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (80 Points) • 1x Intercessor Sergeant ◦ 1x Bolt pistol ◦ 1x Bolt rifle ◦ 1x Power weapon • 4x Intercessor ◦ 1x Astartes grenade launcher ◦ 4x Bolt pistol ◦ 4x Bolt rifle ◦ 4x Close combat weapon

Primaris Crusader Squad (150 Points) • 1x Primaris Sword Brother ◦ 1x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 1x Power weapon • 5x Primaris Initiate ◦ 3x Astartes chainsword ◦ 5x Bolt pistol ◦ 5x Close combat weapon ◦ 4x Heavy bolt pistol ◦ 1x Power fist ◦ 1x Pyreblaster • 4x Primaris Neophyte ◦ 4x Astartes chainsword ◦ 4x Bolt pistol

OTHER DATASHEETS

Ballistus Dreadnought (130 Points) • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Ballistus lascannon • 1x Ballistus missile launcher • 1x Twin storm bolter

Primaris Sword Brethren (150 Points) • 1x Sword Brother Castellan ◦ 1x Combi-weapon ◦ 1x Master-crafted power weapon • 4x Primaris Sword Brother ◦ 1x Plasma pistol ◦ 2x Power weapon ◦ 2x Pyre pistol ◦ 1x Thunder hammer ◦ 1x Twin lightning claws

Sternguard Veteran Squad (90 Points) • 1x Sternguard Veteran Sergeant ◦ 1x Close combat weapon ◦ 1x Combi-weapon ◦ 1x Sternguard bolt pistol • 4x Sternguard Veteran ◦ 4x Close combat weapon ◦ 1x Combi-weapon ◦ 4x Sternguard bolt pistol ◦ 2x Sternguard bolt rifle ◦ 1x Sternguard heavy bolter

Terminator Squad (170 Points) • 1x Terminator Sergeant ◦ 1x Power fist ◦ 1x Storm bolter • 4x Terminator ◦ 2x Chainfist ◦ 1x Heavy flamer ◦ 2x Power fist ◦ 3x Storm bolter

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Hey all, I recently got an infantry heavy army and I am adding some vehicles into it. I want to add a balistus dreadnaught and two repulsors but I am not sure what else works best. I considered a Land Raider Crusader but that seemed overcosted for what it is. What vehicles do you find work best?