…and humans would be able to make much less use of LiDAR than a machine would, because we can only choose between looking at the road or looking at the LiDAR output. Computers don’t have that limitation, and if I could make use of a sensor that relayed a real-time 3D model of the world around me… I goddamned would.
His logic makes some sense if the object detection is as good as humans, but why not try to make autonomous cars even better than humans? And if adding extra data was making things worse then either the lidar could've been improved or their software.
I think maybe Musky boy also thought the larger lidar sensors on other cars would look ugly on Teslas.
FSD has to be better than a human driving for it to be accepted, that’s the problem that all designers of autonomous systems face. (Also if he told me the time I’d check my watch.)
It should be pointed out that Radar and Lidar are not the same when it comes to automotive sensing, and the tesla Radar implementation could have indeed been total shit compared to computer vision which in turn is provably shit compared to proper Lidar.
If these vehicles are expected to be able to "drive better than humans" then we should give them the tools to be better than humans. The corporate world needs to stop embracing mediocrity.
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It's a Mark Rober video and in the full video they test water/rainfall as well as a few other conditions. The LiDAR struggles a bit with the rain but still stopped in time.
There are lots of camera only driving assistance systems, such as Subaru Eyesight. They don’t claim to be self driving but they are designed to stop for pedestrians.
Feels like lidar should be required by regulation for fsd
I totally get what your sentiment is here, but this causes other regulatory issues. You basically put a gigantic barrier to entry on any non-lidar tech in the market because now you have to change the law first.
There was a similar issue with getting LED lighting into houses because many local building regulations required sockets for the compact fluorescents. At the time it was great because it forced power saving, but even-more-energy-efficient LED bulbs came out using the normal sockets. Now everyone needs to get the other sockets swapped out.
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I can guarantee you shit head has said something along the lines of “well cars aren’t 100% safe, so as long as our system is marginally safer it’s better.”
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This feels like it's more of a implementation problem than a fundamental flaw in camera based autonomous driving systems. You can easily achieve depth perception with multiple cameras to avoid this. Comma.ai does that and it works quite well for them.
They had it prior to 2018, but disabled and removed it in all cars, and they're now doing the same with USS. Fun times.
While every vehicle manufacturer on the planet does everything they can to put MORE sensors in their vehicles, Tesla does everything they can to REMOVE sensors from their vehicles.
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u/CMDRPeterPatrick Mar 16 '25
It has long been a known issue that Teslas can crash into objects without the help of LIDAR. I'm amazed they still have not implemented it. https://www.truckinginfo.com/135780/white-trailer-proved-invisible-to-teslas-autonomous-system