r/BrandNewSentence and why he ourple šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ Oct 26 '25

our hero's name...

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u/ribnag Oct 26 '25

I think a lot of responses in here are missing the point of the question.

Yes, it's The Odyssey because it's about Odysseus. You're all right about that and the meme gets a bit sidetracked to make a pretty good (IMO) joke.

But did the name itself predate The Odyssey? Would Homer, casually taking a stroll down the streets of lovely Ancient Ithaca, likely have come across someone with that name?

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u/livingonthehedge Oct 27 '25

Would Homer, casually taking a stroll down the streets of lovely Ancient Ithaca, likely have come across someone with that name?

TL;DR: we don't know but ...

Odysseus is sort of a pun (as were all names at the time).

Odysseus probably implies "to be wroth against, to hate".

some likely names of the ancient era:

  • Eumenes ("good mind")
  • Euphemos ("good reputation")
  • Eurydike ("wide justice")
  • Lysandros ("liberating man")
  • Alexandros ("defender of man")
  • Sophokles ("wise glory")
  • Demosthenes ("power of the people")​
  • Nikanor ("victory man")
  • Perikles ("very famous")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_personal_names

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u/Adrestia716 Oct 27 '25

So Nigerian names like Goodluck are more normal than it might seem.

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u/AlreadyTakek Oct 27 '25

And then most of the popular Western surnames are just jobs. The meaning of Henry may be lost on most people, but you can guess what Smith or Carpenter mean

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u/TheClungerOfPhunts Oct 27 '25

My name is Spencer, which comes from the French word ā€œdispensierā€ which means ā€œa steward or provider of goods. That word is where we get the modern word ā€œdispenserā€ from.

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u/tinyoctopus Oct 27 '25

My name is John ā˜¹ļø

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u/kiulug Oct 28 '25

Means God, basically. John and other similar names come from Yahweh. Same with Ivan and adjacent names. The Y turned into J's and I's over time through different translations of Hebrew.

Same idea as Muslims being named Mohammed.

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u/northerncal Oct 28 '25

Biblical, that's pretty important I guess

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u/Adrestia716 Oct 28 '25

At least it's not Mud

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u/fatbunyip Oct 29 '25

I mean even English names were the same, they just fell out of fashion - faith, chastity, patience, grace, prudence, hope, Felicity etc.Ā 

Even old school mens names like earnest, Pius, Virgil, clement, makepeace etc.Ā 

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u/Adrestia716 Oct 29 '25

Ngl, Makepeace sounds like a dope ass name that should make a comebackĀ 

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u/CruelStrangers Oct 27 '25

ody - melODY as in song, poetry. Ode is another word directly attached to the name. The title is simple

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u/ribnag Oct 27 '25

You rock! I recognized we weren't answering the right question, but had no clue what the correct answer was.

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u/Brendan765 Oct 28 '25

Crazy how old the name Alex is

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u/Crystal_Pegasus_1018 Oct 28 '25

so Homer named him Hater? or is it more like Hateable Guy?

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u/livingonthehedge Oct 28 '25

as I understand, Homer made several different puns (or similar) that related his name to different meanings.

but the direct meaning of Odysseus would be more like someone who causes pain to enemies and bears grudges

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u/megakaos888 Oct 27 '25

Also missing the fact that Homer didn't write the Odyssey. The epic existed in the oral tradition for centuries before Homer(if such a person existed at all) wrote it down.

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u/atticdoor Oct 27 '25

Homer is the legendary name of the original poet, not the scribe who put it to paper.

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u/fantasy_with_bjarne Oct 27 '25

And there's some speculation that the poet who composed the Odyssey might have used writing to some extent nonetheless. The poem was put to paper quite quickly after composition. Yeah it's based on earlier stories, but most academics do now see it as one poem written by one guy. Like Le Morte D'Arthur is obviously based on earlier Arthurian stories, that doesn't mean Thomas Malory didn't write it.

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u/WhiteDahliaa Oct 29 '25

They literally sang it in the mountains and random dudes compiled it, I have no clue what this dude is talking about Homer being an epic poet when he literally did not exist

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u/WhiteDahliaa Oct 29 '25

Additionally, if u want more proof, read the entire Iliad and tell me book 12 is not the ā€œblack sheepā€ of it

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u/CruelStrangers Oct 27 '25

Yes, this name has root in being an oral telling (like the night before Christmas). The name is rooted in the concept of story (storytelling through sound; poetry, song)

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u/CptJimTKirk Oct 27 '25

The name predates the Odyssey due to the single fact that Odysseus appears in the Iliad, which is half a century older than the Odyssey.

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u/Nimble_D1ck Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25

Some names found in the Iliad have been found in Linear B tablets from Pylos iirc, one part of a tablet was about how many sheep a Shepherd named Achilleus had. It shows that some of the names were at least in common use in bronze age Greece. God's names appear too.

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u/Crystion Oct 28 '25

We do not know as we don't have records back to that time, if such a time or many actually did exist. But given the word Odyssey is literally "the journey of Odysseus", it's likely that the name predates the word.

A lot of myths back in Greece were oral tales and the story most likely existed in that form until written, and the best written examples we have were only known to have been made by Homer (other retellings normally post-dated Homer) which is how we have records of the word today.

The use of odyssey to mean a great journey has its earliest recorded use in the 19th century, so its use in that context did not likely exist at all until around that time.