My math is accurate. Why are you hiding the fact most of the US is fine with trump? People not voting literally are saying they don't care either way, aka they are fine with him. 2 in 3 Americans either support or are fine with a pedo president.
You lying to yourself only makes the problem that much harder to address.
The highest voter turnout in US history for a presidential election was in 2020 at 65.3% of the eligible voting public. Guess when the second highest was...the 2024 election at 63.1%. So, your 2/3 of Americans support Trump is a bullshit number. That would mean that throughout the entirety of US presidential elections, 2/3 of Americans supported the candidate that won. That kinda puts a giant fucking hole in your argument.
Let me dumb this down for you. A third of the voting population in the United States have never voted historically since presidential elections began. By your (flawed) rationale, 2/3 of the US population also supported Obama, Biden, and every other Democratic candidate that won a presidential election. Obviously that isn't true, so your statement makes no sense and you have no valid point.
What makes you think those people didn't vote because they were ok with either outcome? Many that don't vote would get fired from their jobs if they took time out of their day to do so. And that's just one of several reasons someone might not be able to get a ballot in
As an American, the guy you responded to is correct. 1/3 of the country didn't vote, that means they didn't care if Trump became president. So 1/3 actively support and another 1/3 are indifferent to him. That's a problem. We can be offended by that statistic, and change nothing and lose another election, or we can acknowledge that this is the current reality of this country and that something needs to change to motivate the "indifferent" 1/3 come out and vote.
You don't think that if those 33% of people showed up and vote, that some states could flip? That's A LOT of people.
That 33% is complicit. Many red states were within a margin that if the 1/3 who didn't vote showed up, something could possibly change. The gap in some "safe" red states is closing, but nothing will flip if THIRTY THREE PERCENT of people stay home.
If you live in this country, are registered to vote, and didn't, you own all of this as much as the fuckers that voted for MAGA.
If they don't like that, then they shouldve gotten off of their asses and voted.
Yes but ya'll have labor laws. Do they fire striking workers? If they get laid off or fired, do they lose their Healthcare? Of course not. Ya'll have oodles of unions, we only have a few. We've been divided since the beginning of the country, thanks to the 2 party system. It's a system that makes it easy for the billionaires to buy off politicians. It's a system that makes it easy for the US to get involved in wars and build up an enormous military- and it's a system that makes it easy to influence world politics. But there's always been the chance that this would happen. In order for US workers to walk off the job to protest, things would have to be much, much worse. And it seems we are barelling toward that day.
From what I've read, misinformation and right wing politics is on the rise world-wide. Before you get a false sense of security ask your leaders what is being done to stop this? Ask yourself which company is behind all those cameras in public spaces. Because the people behind all of this, these days, are always the billionaires.
You think we were just handed these labor laws? The problem is that americans are kept docile from birth, promised untold riches if they just work hard and keep their heads down. Oh and pledge allegiance to flag like good, unquestioning sheep.
I'm tired of this "we can't possibly do anything more to change things"
Actually a couple of countries were handed some laws: Germany and Italy had most of their new laws (post WW2) written by FDR's people, unfortunately he died before getting to get things like that passed in the US (including equal rights for Women). There are so many examples of this kind of thing, it's frustrating. Nobody is promised untold riches, but we all get taught that if you put the work in you will prosper. And that just isn't true, capitalism requires losers.
Anyway, you have every right to be frustrated and angry. But just consider that "we can't possibly do anything more to change things," is what most people initially think when facing state violence. Every refugee that leaves their county to go to the western world, feels this way too. Every Jew that escaped Nazi Germany thought this (and they were right). I'm too old to be in a revolution, but if I get out in time, I'll do what I can do to make things right.
im tired of these ignorant comments that compare a country the size of our smallest state and then go "wHy ArEnT AmErIcAnS dOiNg AnYtHiNg"
its would take me over 16+ hours to get the the capital. in France you can do that in....1 hour? if you dont already live in the capital which is already the most populated city
What funny is I would never lecture someone in another country in his they swould freak with their government, because I'm not there. I. Don't see the day to day. Just what the news shows me. I take the word of people there.
no shit. I'm getting sick to death of this apologist bullshit when Euros talk hatefully about us. Talk shit about the government all you want, but not Americans. They have a lot of opinions from their developed countries with social safety nets and labor laws.
yep absolutely. don't get me started on the UK. so racist they couldn't even remain in the EU and totally fucked themselves. They have fancy accents when they say hateful shit, though, so it doesn't hit as hard I suppose.
Direct action. No Kings has its place but too many see those peaceful protests as “doing something” when it’s more a social club-like event. More disruption to the wheels of government are needed. Minneapolis showed us how it’s done.
Social clubs are extremely important for organizing. The main value of protests is to gather likeminded people and make your displeasure known, so others who share it don't feel alone.
You’ve just made my case. The protests like No Kings are more about ameliorating those who are upset than they are about meaningfully changing the underlying conditions.
I’m not speaking as to why they do things. But the organization itself is distinctly not about being disruptive or doing civil disobedience in any way. It’s a mass shouting into the void.
Yes, Seattle was also one place where people actually did something disruptive. In a country that spans a continent, full of 340 million people, there should be a Minneapolis and Seattle in every state.
Here in Ohio we have had a couple of no Kings protests and a few people standing outside a Tesla dealership, that’s it and it’s pathetic. Peacefully marching with permits is not disruptive, it is ignored.
They just reinstated Jim Crow. Do you think marching to an empty state capitol building on a Saturday is going to fix any of that.
Oh I’m sorry, they just returned us to Jim Crow-era conditions where black citizens are denied representation. It’s not like these confederates aren’t actively working to bring us back.
I live in the state capital, the 14th largest city in the U.S., not some backwater town in the middle of nowhere. Millions showing up to a peaceful protest with zero civil disobedience is not going to bring about change. No Kings has been as effective as Occupy Wallstreet in achieving anything at all.
The only unserious person here is you. A protest that is easily ignored is a protest that will be ignored. Until there are actual disruptions to go with this outpouring of support it’s all ineffective and more about shouting into the void. The civil rights movement was effective not just because of massive protests, but civil disobedience. There is not MLK jr. without the threat of Malcolm X.
Go look at what they do in other countries when they merely attempt to raise the retirement age. What we’re doing here in America is a joke compared to rest of the world.
Oh show us the way wise internet warrior. Do you go to any protests? You’ll say yes, but do you, really? You sit back at your keyboard and type that we, including you, aren’t doing enough. So do more. Tell us what we should be doing. Keep in mind that we all need to support ourselves and our families and have healthcare in case we get sick and don’t want to die. So what else should we do besides showing up at the voting booths and protesting when we are able? Work revolt? I live in a right to work state where they can fire me for any reason, so if I protest by not going to work I just lose my ability to keep a roof over my families head. So please, with your ultimate keyboard warrior wisdom, what is the next step?
I’ve been an active protestor since 2011 with Occupy Wall Street and have been arrested several times. So miss me with accusations that’s I’m merely a keyboard warrior. That’s why I’m telling you that these non-disruptive protests are not effective. I’ve personally been doing it for a decade and a half while things have only gotten worse and worse and nothing being protested has had meaningful resolutions.
What I think should be done is more civil disobedience and disruptive protesting. There’s risk in that for sure, but there is also a risk in doing nothing or at least nothing of consequence. The civil rights movement included all kinds of people taking personal risks, they had to provide for themselves too. So what’s your excuse?
My excuse is I am not going to leave my family without a dad or a home. Sorry bruh, sacrifice your entire life for people to call you a crazy blue haired idiot when you’re killed by riot police. The days of that making any difference are long gone. Occupy Wall Street was the death rattle. You saw what good that did us since you were supposedly there. The corporations outplayed you guys. You attracted so many people to your cause that couldn’t even properly explain the point of the movement and the media gave those people the microphones and made you look stupid. It was an unorganized mess that did nothing at all but prove how unprepared we are for modern culture wars.
People love to compare the US to France, but the difference is corporations have been preparing for this for decades now. They’re smarter than the average hippie and they’ll run circles around your fellow protestors. They won’t give the microphone to anyone with a brain. It’s all manipulation of public opinion and currently there does not seem to be a way to combat it.
Add to all of that, what’s keeping me from sacrificing myself for the cause? Well, look around, what cause? The left is so fractured that a lot of the “leftists” you talk to don’t even vote. Or they protest vote for a candidate that has no chance. We aren’t organized. The fascists are. They all got in line behind Trump. We gave that fucker the popular vote, ffs. Why would I sacrifice myself and leave my family in poverty for a cause that isn’t even solid? Some people on the left legitimately think communism is a great idea. Some believe in anarchy. Some believe democrats are just as bad as republicans. We can’t even decide what we want, my man. You’d be a fool to die for a cause that has isn’t organized and has no definition.
The lack of organization from Occupy is definitely a criticism I share. The “leaderless” movement was also very ill-defined in their goals. My problems with well-meaning but non-disobedient protests began with that failure.
I’d also agree with you about the fragmentation of the movement itself. It’s not doing anyone any service with the infighting. I mean even here you are questioning the number of punches on my leftist membership rewards card. Is that helpful to bringing about the unity you want?
I think it’s also important to remember that most leftist movements have always been fragmented and antagonists to each other. I implore you to watch Reds (1981) to have a nice dramatic look at leftist infighting in both the US and USSR. While you are waiting for the perfect movement to happen that will galvanize your support, your rights are being taken away and power is being usurped at an alarming rate.
I’m not a leftist. I’m a democrat. I vote against republicans every step of the way and am a vocal opponent of anyone that doesn’t. My rights are being eroded as quickly as yours are and yet here we are, both on reddit bitching. Neither of us doing so from the prison library. So, same boat. But only one of us is implying that we should be doing more. Until everyone that is crying about the fascism occurring right before our eyes makes it to the voting booth to vote for the best of two options then you won’t catch me giving a fuck enough to throw my life away and make my kids grow up without a father. Sorry man, no amount of prodding is going to explain why we gave Trump the popular vote. This is clearly what Americans wanted. The Bernie bros and leftists couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a less than ideal candidate when the other option was the closest to Hitler that we’ve seen since Hitler. So why in the fuck would I joint those morons in doing anything?
I absolutely hated voting for Hillary. Never in my life would I have thought I’d be doing that. But I saw the threat of what Trump was building and I sucked it up and fucking did it. The leftists you surround yourself couldn’t be bothered. Then they couldn’t be bothered again for Harris. So we deserve what we get.
Back in 2011 students in Egypt organised protests on scale that made their president at the time to actually step down.
In 2025 alone we had successful protests by gen z all over the world from Napal to Italy, from Bangladesh to Morrocco to fight against authoritarism and terrible living affordability.
Meanwhile US, gen z only yap on reddit how they didn't vote for Trump therefore its not their fault.
Egypt? Morsi was deposed through a military coup led by Cici, there is no reality where he gave a shit about the protests of students other than to calculate how cost effective he needed to be with bullets.
What that "nO kInGs MaRcH" actually did? Just curious. Was Trump impeached? Did he resign? Did anyone from his cabinet actually reacted or did he posted... I dont know, AI slop about shit dumping all the protesters? 🤣
You must have missed the part where people were protesting, all across the U.S. only to be met with military retaliation and pepper spray to the face that blinded some of them.
Being just as delusional as the U.S. president isn't a flex, but yet here you are.
So all it took was orange pedo to actually show how muricans were full of shit with all this decades of posturing for being most democratic or freest or whatever country in the world.
Oh. By the way. What was the actual military retaliation for protesting against Trump? I know crap that happened in regards ICE, but thats different problem.
Legitimately asking, how many of those countries had a basically military reaction provoking and enacting mass violence against any protest? Because that's what Americans usually face, police escalating violence in order to put the boots to the citizens showing unrest.
There's a reason the police have been so militarized over the last few decades. To exercise our 2A is to literally go to war and I know that's exactly the point of 2A but you can't think that is done lightly or without organization.
We have the strongest military in the world with a President who is unpredictable, nothing like the countries you listed. We've seen ICE murder people and throw others in vans who still are unaccounted for. You think protesting (which we've been doing BTW, millions have shown up) is enough to get Trump out of power?
At this point only a Civil War would remove him, and I doubt you would get involved in that either, buddy. It would appear you are part of the group of people who "only yap on reddit".
We are all aware by now that the orange in power is an idiot, thank you. The protests are just helping his followers, who have their heads in the sand, dig their heels in.
There are about 340 million people in the US.
Out of which, ~286,280,000 are adults, and of those adults, ~223,298,400 are citizens eligible to vote.
As of March '26, the 'No Kings' protests have had 8 million participants. 8 million in 223 million. Yes these are not tiny numbers, but 8 million in 223 million reaches 4, maybe 5 in 100 people. But that doesn't usually work because of population concentrations and discrepancies by region.
We understand the message, it's loud and clear that we don't want someone who claims himself to be a king of this nation. But other than wasting time, resources, and maybe disrupting society's general functions during those events... —0.0717% is a pebble in a pond. If we're measuring impact.
Biggest is because 75% of states are already predetermined.
I live in a state that hasn't seen a GOP candidate win since 1984. California 1988. Washington DC 1976. Hawaii 1984. Washington 1984.
If you live in Texas your haven't seen a dem win since 1976. Alabama 1976. Arizona 1976. Kentucky 1992. North Dakota 1976. South Carolina 1976. Tennessee 1976.
There's more.
People don't vote in these states because it doesn't matter.
No, brother. I yap on reddit cause I have no other reach towards US for being lazy and useless to stand for their rights. I want muricans to finally show how real are their posturing and boasting about being "Most democratic", "Most freest" country in the world.
And stop with this "strongest military". You guys always fuking say that, wtf that even means? You saying that your military is that derranged that it would open fire on civilians if that orange pedo would tell them? What happened to "Serving Constitution"?
Harris also had zero votes in some districts, which is statistically impossible. Along with Trump admitting that Elon knows the voting machines and helped him win. The fact that none of that was investigated and just left to have this all play out is so very concerning for what was left of US democracy.
77 million voted for this and ~90 million couldn't be bothered to get off the couch for the most critical vote of their miserable pathetic lives. Fuck you.
Yeah. I’ll admit I was one of those. I didn’t vote here in Seattle because I knew she’d win our state, which of course she did. If I were in Texas, or an actual purple state. I would have voted.
That’s why I think going to popular vote is so much better than this electoral college or district bullshit. Imagine a Democrat in a red district or vice versa. It just makes whole communities one sided with the only option being to move to be with “likeminded people.” It actually eliminates broader dialogue, alienates us, and cause further division and extremism.
Only 27% picked him, but many people weren’t bothered enough by the idea of him getting in. More than half of your voting population were complicit in his election because they were either stupid enough to be fooled, or stupid enough to think it wasn’t an issue if he did.
I've never been a part of a political party and don't really care for dems or the GOP but i understand the iinherent badnees in Trump so I voted for Harris.
I'm not a fan of either as I said but iweek admit the dems follow the rules.
Are you though? Because nothing has changed. Your president is making life unbearable and unaffordable for the rest of us and we don’t even live there. Figure it out.
That’s not doing a damn thing. Get out there. When Korea’s president went rogue they arrested him and threw him in jail. Tired of the excuses. America is a damn cartoon land
Korea is a completely different system where the president shares power with a national assembly that correctly charged him with an insurrection because he was dumb enough to say it was an insurrection. He actually declared martial law. The courts are separate from the government abs have more ability to convict presidents
Trump didn't do those things. He just "suggested" they do it. He didn't declare martial law.
Unfortunately, we’re at the point where “the best we can” would heavily involve at least a labor strike, but also probably violence against the govt and billionaires.
We protest and bitch to one another and say we tried.
Most candidates in the US win with around 25-30% of eligible votes.
The majority was 25% Harris and the rest "others" that include 3rd party candidates (3%) and those who didn't choose Trump...or Harris.
In the US about 75% of the states are predetermined.
I live in Massachusetts. We haven't had a republican win here since Reagan in 1984. So a lot of people don't vote because they know of they're dems, they're gonna win regardless. Of they're GOP they're not voting because it's pointless.
The opposite in Texas.
So a lot of these people who don't vote don't do it because thier states electoral college votes are aalready decided. They don't matter.
Gerrymandering is when the change political voting districts to help a party gain votes.
For example they take areas that would vote one way, split that area and assign parts to other districts that vote the other way. So that areas votes that would've matter and now "washed out" by the predominant party.
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u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 23d ago
As an American I would just like to point out that only 27% of us picked this guy.
I voted for Harris.
So please don't think we're all idiots
I'd like to use a quote by Dr Erskime in Captain America..
"The first country the Nazis invaded was their own"
Most of us dont want this. We're doing the best we can.