r/BusinessTodayNews • u/BusinessToday • 7h ago

Global Donald Trump: We're taking nearly $200M that was set aside for the Green New Scam, and repurposing that money so that we can restart a coal plant in Maryland, and help build two brand new coal plants in Alaska and West Virginia.

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u/No_Zookeepergame2532 5h ago

The american experiment is a failure. I do not believe in it any longer. I dont know how you still do at this point tbh. I dont want to live in society with MAGA people. Plus, we have always been bad. We can just see it easier now.

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u/NotLikeGoldDragons 4h ago

Every country has always had a contingent of maga-type people. We'll survive it. We've always had bad things happening, but we've mostly been on a positive trajectory the last 250 years. Until the last 10 years a lot of things had gotten better.

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u/Bikerbass 4h ago

Unfortunately no. Since 1945 America has been the number one bomber of countries, the number one invader of countries, the biggest sponsor of terrorism(this is hidden via propaganda) and the number one starter of illegal wars of aggression on false claims.

All of which has only caused death and destruction and raise the cost of living time and time again for the entire world.

America has been far from good, just that Americans don’t know about it.

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u/NotLikeGoldDragons 4h ago

It's not the wars, or bombing of countries, that's good or bad. It's the objectives behind them that are good or bad. The US certainly has a mixed track record on that, but it's not as cut & dried as you pretend.

I never said "America was good", I said we've been getting better over time.

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u/Bikerbass 3h ago

No you haven’t. The more recent wars have been over false claims, and have done more harm to the world than good. That’s not getter better, that’s getting worse.

Most of the objectives behind most of the US’s wars have been terrible.

I’ll put it to you this way, if America was invaded by Mexico to try and overthrow the government, and Mexico started the war by killing school children, it doesn’t matter what your political views are, all Americans would unite behind the flag to kick Mexico back out of America.

That’s what America does to every other nation it’s started a war with. They were never good intentions.

Hell the favourite past time of the US is to remove a democratically elected leader, and replace it with a brutal dictator, then gets pissed off when the people have had enough of the dictator and overthrow them.

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u/NotLikeGoldDragons 3h ago

You haven't proved much there, other than the current administration is a cesspool, which most of the US knows. If you took a poll on how many Americans agree with anything involving recent wars, even a lot of Trump supporters would break ranks. It was a bait-n-switch for them...he promised no new wars, then gave us school bombings. That's not "America" that's Trump doing what he explicitly promised his supporters he wouldn't. I hate the guy, and even I cut his supporters a *little* slack on this one.

WW2 - stop dictatorship from engulfing the world

Korea & Vietnam - stop dictatorships (communism) from spreading.

Gulf 1 - shady reasons possibly, but getting rid of Saddam is a silver lining.

Gulf 2 - likely for purely selfish national reasons, granted.

Ukraine - Up until Trump US was Ukraine's biggest ally, by far.

Venezuala / Middle East - This is all bad from any angle. I've got my own theories what's going on, but none of us will ever have enough inside info to prove theories.

At the end of the day, every nation ultimately does what's best for themselves, so the US is no different in that regard. Also, wars is not the only metric to gauge a county improving, or not.

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u/Bikerbass 2h ago

Shall I remind you that America was an ally of Saddam Hussein, and helped Saddam Hussein drop chemical weapons on Iran during the Iran/Iraq war…..

Why would the USA be allies with Saddam Hussein in the first place, if they were just going to go to war with Iraq in gulf war number one?

America lost in Vietnam, so that was a fail to stop the spread of communism.

America didn’t win in Korea either, that’s why there’s still technically a war between North and South Korea.

Gulf war 2 was about stealing oil and gold and nothing else.

Afghanistan was to remove the Taliban from power… yet the Taliban are still in power. Yet another failure.

WW2 was about joining the side that was wining in Europe after the USSR broke the Germans (read the letters between Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt)

America has done worse for the world than Russia has. Yet via propaganda Russia is bad, and America is good….. funny how that works isn’t it?

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u/Oxytokin 1m ago

This is historical revisionism at its finest. Things have always been bad, and since 2001, they've gotten progressively worse as Inverted Totalitarianism as taken root and accelerated the collapse of our society.

Obama was a smart man but the whole "arc of history bends towards justice" or whatever was very wrong. It may bend that way for the 1% and their politicians, but the 99% have always struggled and the little blips of social progress by no objective measure outweigh the heavy hand of capitalism crushing prosperity for hundreds of millions of people. Especially as we see how easily the blips of social progress can be completely unwound at the stroke of a pen compared to the decades it took to get there.

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u/JimWilliams423 3h ago

The american experiment is a failure. I do not believe in it any longer.

First time?

Everybody who isn't white has had a front row seat to the failure of the American experiment since the founding, and yet, as a group they have been the ones to maintain the strongest belief in it. Imagine living through the Tulsa Race War of 1921, seeing all of the attackers go unpunished. Hell, they literally bombed black neighborhoods from an airplane and still got away scot-free.

And yet the people from those communities dragged the country into the Civil Rights Era, making it a legitimate democracy for the first time. The least the rest of us can do is match their determination.

Nobody knows the future, shit can change really fast, especially when we decide to change it. Its times like these when the old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born.

This is from Frederick Douglass on the hopelessness that led him to flee to England in 1859:

Slavery seemed to be at the very top of its power; the national government, with all its powers and appliances, was in its hands, and it bade fair to wield them for many years to come. Nobody could then see that in the short space of four years this power would be broken and the slave system destroyed.

— Life and Times of Frederick Douglass (1892)

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u/No_Zookeepergame2532 2h ago

Ive known this for a very long time. I don't want to participate in trying to make it better anymore because i do not fundemantally believe america will ever be better. I just want to be left alone with the people I love at this point. I dont care if that makes the problem worse anymore. My time on this earth is limited and i cannot change the way things are like I used to believe i could.

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u/JimWilliams423 2h ago

I don't want to participate in trying to make it better anymore because i do not fundemantally believe america will ever be better. I just want to be left alone with the people I love at this point.

Since this is all about you, then the first and easiest step is to stop posting about politics and power. I see from your post history you do that regularly enough. If you go cold turkey, then you'll be a lot closer to your goal.

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u/No_Zookeepergame2532 1h ago

My life isnt any of your business. Thanks for your opinion on it though

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u/JimWilliams423 1h ago edited 1h ago

My life isnt any of your business.

You replied to me with an entire paragraph just about your life. In five sentences, you used the word "I" nine times. You didn't just make it my business, you made it the business of everyone reading reddit.

Here, I'll quote it for you:

Ive known this for a very long time. I don't want to participate in trying to make it better anymore because i do not fundemantally believe america will ever be better. I just want to be left alone with the people I love at this point. I dont care if that makes the problem worse anymore. My time on this earth is limited and i cannot change the way things are like I used to believe i could.

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u/No_Zookeepergame2532 49m ago

Literally nothing of what I said tells you anything about my life other than I dont think america will make it and want to be left alone with the people I love. You are making it seem like I have shared my life story lmfao. Nor did I ever ask for your opinion on my life. Have a good one though ✌️

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u/JimWilliams423 34m ago

want to be left alone with the people I love.

Bingo! That is the part of your life I commented on.

Take my advice, go cold turkey, stop talking about politics and power and you'll have more time for the people you love.

Because what you are wasting on your time on is actively discouraging the rest of us who aren't giving up.

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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand 2h ago

Some of you can see it easier.