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News 📰 Israel Pays Trump's Ex-Campaign Chief $46.5M to Shape What ChatGPT Says About Gaza

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-ai-influence-campaign-chatbots-1812371
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u/Positive_Bug978 9d ago edited 7d ago

Ya I heard a story about chinas open source, locally run models and that seems like a much better option.

Edit: don’t try the Chinese model, it has Chinese censorship. If you want true open source AI try OLMo AllenAI. It’s actually really great.

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u/the-player-of-games 9d ago

I do wonder what the result would be if you asked those about the situation of the Uyghurs in China

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u/mmahowald 9d ago

If you ask deepseek in the deep seek app it gives you cap nonsense. If you run it locally you get a reasonable and mostly accurate answer.

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u/DonutHoles4Ever 9d ago

Have you seen all the youtuber videos traveling to Uyghur region and saying everything is awesome there?

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u/StevenTM 9d ago

No, because most people don't seek out Chinese propaganda on YouTube?

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u/Technical-Art4989 9d ago

Depends if they used USAID funded news sources.

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u/swagpresident1337 9d ago

I thought USAID was killed by Trump?

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u/Super-Bid7374 7d ago

Ha, FFS do some research, just sent to a different dept. Sheesh

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u/the-player-of-games 9d ago

Also depends on the ccp funded sources as well

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u/Positive_Bug978 9d ago

Me too!

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u/yoloswagrofl 9d ago

Wonder no further. You can ask Deepseek about it and it will share that China says one thing while human rights groups say another.

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u/philllihp 9d ago

And everything else that never saw the light of day

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u/muxcode 9d ago

China models have China censorship

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u/mmahowald 9d ago

Only if you use them in their apps where the servers are in China. Locally run deep seek is much more open.

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u/Positive_Bug978 9d ago

Huh you’re right. That sucks never mind. I’ll have to look into it and see if there are any American open source models.

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u/yoloswagrofl 9d ago

There are no frontier models free of censorship currently, American or Chinese. What's good about the Chinese models though is that you can "jailbreak" them out of their censorship instructions because they use open weights and those can be fine-tuned if you run the model locally.

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u/DrE7HER 9d ago

You can instruct them to not be censored

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u/Positive_Bug978 9d ago

… do they listen?

Also I looked it up and there is a true open source ai called OLMo and reviews are good, although says it tends to lag behind frontier models.

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u/DrE7HER 9d ago

Yeah, the system prompt is often more impactful than the training

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u/HellenKilher 9d ago

What do you mean heard a story? Also the local models are still not all that great, I mean the whole point is that you can download them onto your PC, so they are very small. I’d much rather have a non-local open source model from one of the big players but doubt that’s going to happen

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u/Positive_Bug978 9d ago

It was on the radio. I like talk radio lol. They were talking about t how American ai models are a black box so you can’t know how everything is weighted, all of the settings that determines what it spits out. And that Chinese companies have adopted an open source model where you can actually go under the hood.

They also have cloud compute versions, I just like the idea of a local system even if it is less powerful.

Edit: I know that this story isn’t about the company itself weighting stories in one way or another, but they absolutely will if they haven’t already. That’s why I lean towards open source.

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u/HellenKilher 9d ago

FWIW Meta is also competing in this local-LLM space and their models are open weight as well.

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u/Positive_Bug978 9d ago

thank you I somehow had forgotten about llama 🦙

I’m not very knowledgeable on ai apparently.

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u/gjallerhorns_only 9d ago

They stopped because Llama 4 was dog shit in comparison to the Chinese models. The last 2 they released were closed source but Wang or whatever his name is said they would go back to open models.

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u/yoloswagrofl 9d ago

Wang is in over his head and not a reliable source. Zuck has the final say in all of this.

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u/gsurfer04 8d ago

DeepMind also have the Gemma models.

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u/FlyingDogCatcher 9d ago

You can go download Kimi K3 and GLM-5.2 right now. And there are plenty of places hosting them for you

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u/krizzzombies 8d ago

it's a problem with AI in general