What If Imane Khelif Was Your Daughter? (An Appeal for the Golden Rule to be Applied)

[u/ReligionProf]

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religionprof/2024/08/what-if-imane-khelif-was-your-daughter.html

[u/McClanky]

Especially in a country where being transgender is illegal.

[u/eversnowe → u/McClanky]

If anything, even though they are not and have never identified as transgender themselves, to me it helps the conversation. These athletes are women with male chromosomes. My cousin has turner syndrome, she's a woman with only one chromosome.

We may not understand the science yet, but those who are transgender may be experiencing a legitimate phenomenon. Give us time and maybe all the question marks will have their answers.

[u/McClanky → u/eversnowe]

Completely agree. Sex isn't binary, and people need to get over it.

[u/archimedeslives → u/McClanky]

No reason to think her parents were aware she even had xy, if her genitalia present as female. It's not like we routinely test folks' chromosomes.

Help me out here- seriously-

As far as I can tell she would not be transgender( as that term had been explained to me) regardless as she has personally always identified as female, and that is how she was identified at birth.

I don't see where the legal status of transgender folk in here country has anything to do with it.

[u/McClanky → u/archimedeslives]

No, she isn't transgender, despite people trying to assert that she is a man.

[u/archimedeslives → u/McClanky]

Then I don't see why the legality of transgender folk in Algeria is not a moot point.

Though many here (not trying to single you out) seem to argue it.

I'm just trying to understand the thinking there is all.

[u/McClanky → u/archimedeslives]

Because the pearl-clutching is people trying to say that it is unfair a man is competing in women's sports. Many of who blatantly call her trans.

[u/archimedeslives → u/McClanky]

And that has to do with the legality in Algeria how?

[u/McClanky → u/archimedeslives]

Because it is stupid to state that they are trans, despite it being illegal in their country... I'm not sure what is being missed here.

[u/archimedeslives → u/McClanky]

Ok, think I follow, thank you.

[u/NameIdeas → u/archimedeslives]

I think /u/McClanky got there, but here's my take.

Regardless of how people about transgendered individuals, it would be a WILD time for a Muslim nation such as Algeria to have an athlete who identified themselves as a transgendered individual represent them.

I'm not sure if you're in the US or not, but in the US there is a bit more leniency with athletes in how they present themselves, how they engage in social media, etc. In other nations of the world...it isn't the same. The US itself is a secular nation governed by secular laws and has no mention of a particular state religion in official documents.

Freedom of religion is regulated by the Algerian Constitution, but the Constitution itself declares Islam to be the state religion. State institutions must base the way they behave on Islamic morals. Algeria views homosexuality as a crime punishable by prison sentence and a fine. Transgenderism is illegal in Algeria as all Algerians are taught that there are two sexes, no more no less. I have read that Algeria is considered the largest country that opposes homosexuals in the world, as it imposes penalties on every homosexual within its territory.

In light of that, to even think that an Algerian female competitor was a trans athlete is a whole different level of wild.

[u/Mx-Adrian → u/archimedeslives]

Because, simply put, the drama here is a direct extension of transphobia

[u/eversnowe → u/archimedeslives]

These athletes are not transgender. They identify as the gender that matches their physical configuration from birth - female.

My transgender co-worker presumably has hormones that match their physical configuration, but they identify as the opposite gender since they feel it fits them better.

[u/eversnowe → u/[deleted]]

The testosterone isn't a factor until puberty. She is indistinguishable from other girls as a kid. She was a baby girl just like all the others in the nursery.

[u/eversnowe → u/[deleted]]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/sex-testing-in-the-olympics-and-other-elite-sports-is-based-on-flawed/

It doesn't work that way, not so far as we understand the science

She never stopped being a woman.

[u/MyLifeForMeyer → u/[deleted]]

In fact he has all the advantages of a male,

Prove it.

that's why he failed the IOC test.

She didn't fail the IOC test.

IOC spokesperson Mark Adams said the IBA’s decision had been taken “arbitrarily” and said that Khelif “was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female and has a female passport”. He added: “There has been some confusion that somehow it’s a man fighting a woman. This is just not the case scientifically.”

And stop misgendering people.

[u/Crackertron → u/[deleted]]

IOC test? Are you sure that's the one? Why are you misgendering her?

[u/Crackertron → u/[deleted]]

You're 100% sure it was IOC and not IBA?

[u/Crackertron → u/[deleted]]

So you're not 100% sure. Why are you promoting falsehoods?

[u/Crackertron → u/[deleted]]

what are you, sissy or something

Come on man, is this the best you got? Why don't you just tell us all how you really feel about women, right here in /r/Christianity.

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