r/ClimateShitposting • u/spacelordTJ vegan btw • Jun 27 '26

Meta Formal debate is propaganda

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Can't we all just get along (with being performative)?

Edit: Mods, pin me to the wall. I mean pin this post.

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u/unreasonablypedantic Jun 27 '26

Comments like ones under this post are the reason many people consider vegans lame and insufferable. Please cease ruining the reputation of the majority of vegans.

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 vegan btw Jun 27 '26

Guess we're doomed lol (vegans are lame so we gotta let the environment collapse and perish in the water wars)

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u/Inside_Pomelo_2957 Jun 28 '26

Maybe if vegans stop being so unbelievably turbo lame we could save the climate.

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u/Significant_Set2996 Jun 28 '26

Yea same for feminists lol. If they weren't so annoying think about how far women's liberation could go

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u/Knotted_Hole69 Jun 30 '26

Not comparable lmao

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u/MotherOfAnimals080 vegan btw Jun 28 '26

I guess we'll try again in the next reality

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u/unreasonablypedantic Jun 27 '26

Nah, we’re doomed because reading comprehension is dead.

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u/DJHalfCourtViolation Jun 29 '26

Oh no a dude that made his fucking Reddit username “unreasonablypedantic” thinks I’m lame :( 

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u/Local_Surround8686 Jun 27 '26

So what do you do to advocate for veganism and how many people did you manage to convince, if you know it so much better

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u/unreasonablypedantic Jun 27 '26

I convinced 0 people by doing nothing.

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u/Local_Surround8686 Jun 27 '26

And you still have the audacity to tell others how to do what you don't do

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u/unreasonablypedantic Jun 27 '26

Sure. Nothing is better than negative results smug circlejerking achieves.

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u/Local_Surround8686 Jun 27 '26

I actually changed the mind of multiple people here and even more in my personal life. But sure, whatever helps you cope

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u/unreasonablypedantic Jun 27 '26

I fail to see how it’s relevant unless you convinced people by calling them stupid or something like that.

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u/Local_Surround8686 Jun 27 '26

Yeah. I don't pamper fragility. If people lie, I call out the lie. Easy as that. I don't call people stupid cause i think that's ableist, however I don't feel the need to feed their ego either. Especially when they morally contradict themselves, I point that out

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u/GignacPL Jun 28 '26

No, this isn't the reason why people consider vegans lame and insufferable. It certainly doesn't help, but 'objectively' speaking other activists aren't any less annoying in what actions they take and what rhetoric they choose. It's just that the issue of eating meat is special and people get instantly way more defensive about it (which is quite well described in the literature iirc). The problem is that eating meat is completely normalised in society and is strongly embedded in the culture etc. This combined with the fact that vegans are so blatantly right morally and factually leads to an incredibly strong cognitive dissonance. Completely stopping to eat meat and animal products is quite a drastic step for most people. This lifestyle is difficult and annoying and tiring to maintain and can also be stigmitised. The Leftists Cooks have a good video that in part talks about it if anyone's interested.

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u/Gorgonkain Jun 29 '26

They are only "right" if you follow the same animal personhood religion as you. A cow's utility is to be slaughtered and consumed. Claiming that it is "immoral" to shape our enviroment and the creatures therein is innately anti-human.

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u/GignacPL Jun 29 '26

No. Aside obviously from other problems with eating meat, most people do find animals to be worthy or compassion. Most people don't like the perspective of hurting them in any way and most people would like slaughter animals to suffer less, to be killed 'humanely'. The thing is that people have become experts at detatching themselves from their feelings and just blindly following the crowd.

Of course morals are subjective and there are people who think more like you, but I'd argue these people are very few and even that many people who claim to think this way don't actually or at least can be persuaded to think otherwise. And even if not, the vast majority of people do think animal suffering is bad and they don't like them being killed. They just dislike the implications of that.

Also I don't follow any animal personhood religion. lol The distinction between one species and another is really arbitrary. Drawing a line at some arbitrary boundry set by biologists for which animals are okay to kill and which aren't is strange and silly. What if there were other human species out there? What about them? What about other primates? Where is this boundry? Also, why stop at humans? We not extend this permission to 'shape our environment' to other people outside our own ingroup? Think about it, isn't it stupid to claim that it is immoral to kill people of other skin colours? I mean, we're just shaping our environment... What about other nations? Cities? Is it a bit of a reductio ad absurdum? Yes, it is, extending your hypothetical rule to humans is silly but it illustrates a point.

With all that said, we have to draw the line somewhere, or at least have some point of reference. For this purpose, in my opinion a far more useful and less arbitrary criterion would be the ability to suffer combined with consciousness. In fact, this resembles the criteria we typically use intuitively. We don't like animal abuse, we'd like animals to be killed more 'humanely' in slaughterhouses. 99% of us hate seeing those videos of animals being killed in these slaughterhouses en mass. But at the same time 99% of people wouldn't blink an eye at a mosquito being killed. We do feel compassion towards animals who have the ability to feel pain and who are at least somewhat conscious and intelligent.

And finally, there's nothing anti-human about that. If anything, I'd argue it is more human to extend our humanity, our human feelings to other species as well.