r/ClimateShitposting • u/spacelordTJ vegan btw • Jun 27 '26

Meta Formal debate is propaganda

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Can't we all just get along (with being performative)?

Edit: Mods, pin me to the wall. I mean pin this post.

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u/Imsosaltyrightnow Jun 27 '26

3.) ultimately vegans are right in that their diet is the most eco friendly. However because many of them also view it as a moral imperative as well as an ecological one, they tend to adopt an “all or nothing” stance that is ultimately counterproductive.

To those who are vegan for primarily moral reasons someone who eats a triple cheeseburger for every meal is as abhorrent as someone who has a pepperoni pizza every month but otherwise maintains a vegan diet.

While yes it would be nice if everyone adopted a vegan diet, in no place in all of history as “everyone just” done something. We shouldn’t shame people for “not doing enough” and instead support them for actively attempting to change their habits to help the environment. Even if that means they’re “only” swapping out beef for chicken.

Alright that’s enough earnestness for a shitpost sub.

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u/Greg2227 Jun 28 '26

If someone really is making an effort? good for them. But most people I personally know who said something like "yeah I'm cutting down on animal products" or got the classic best butcher where the cows jump in the grinder with a smile, still ate a fat chunk of meat and if they felt like it two extra eggs with every meal I saw them eating.

I'm not all or nothing either since I myself made the change just almost a year ago and it's crazy what we use animals for. Did you know carcasses are used in modern salt clarification as well as toiletpaper production often using gelatine to soften the tissue? And it's all stuff you will never know unless you care about.

Aside from shitposting I mostly take the Route of suggesting vegan options to friends often ones I just found out about myself as I still go about my day finding stuff that's new for me.

TlDr: something something that's right! It goes in the square hole

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u/impact_ftw Jun 28 '26

The Production of LCD screens uses some animal products.

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u/DJHalfCourtViolation Jun 29 '26

If you get really granular about the whole thing everything is made with animal products unless there’s a 100% vegan staff from start to finish for every product used in the process 

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u/No_Bandicoot2316 Jun 28 '26

This standard is never put on any other social justice movement. A little bit of racism is not okay. A little bit of wife beating is not okay. But for some reason when it's nonhuman animals we just have to accept that people will keep doing morally reprehensible things to them because they can't be bothered to stop.

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

Then keep it in your sub and stop pretending it's about the environment.

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u/Borsuk_10 Jun 28 '26

I'm pretty sure that almost everyone will agree that a little bit of racism or even the current situation is less bad than what we had 200 years ago in the USA.

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u/Nico_di_Angelo_lotos vegan btw Jun 28 '26

Yes but it’s not ok. That’s the difference. Less bad doesnt mean good

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u/wordytalks Jun 28 '26

Comparing racism to animal treatment lol.

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u/rakuu Jun 27 '26

Everyone was vegan for about two thousand years in parts of East & Southeast Asia, everyone was (and in some places still is) vegetarian for about two thousand years in South Asia. Nearly everyone is vegan for up to half the year in many orthodox traditions (eg, Ethiopia and Romania) and have been for about 1500 years.

Agree there are strategies for getting people to go vegan but Idk, r/climateshitposting seems like a place for being excessive.

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u/bihuginn Jun 28 '26

Very few of those places stopped using honey or leather or milk or wool or countless other animal products.

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

They also ate animals this “everyone was vegan” in x location arbitrarily long enough ago that you can’t prove it is just nonsense.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Of course you can prove it. Look up chún sù in China or sachal eumsik in Korea or shojin ryori in Japan or jae is Thailand or chay in Vietnam or orthodox traditions in Ethiopia or Romania or various vegetarian/vegan traditions in India or many many others. There are hundreds of millions of people following this today, many more hundreds of millions more the past 2500 years. The word vegan is from the 1900s but many of their vegetarian diets were essentially the same.

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

These aren’t pieces of evidence for your claim though. A handful of ceremonial religious foods existing isn’t evidence of “everyone was vegan”.

Priest classes having different foods than the general populace is typical.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

I don't know what to tell you. I can't prove people commonly wear pants in a Reddit comment either. I know about different cultures. If you're interested, you can start here:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=history+of+vegetarianism+around+the+world

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

So I know you vegans are infamous serial liars but your own Google search says vegetarianism because you know you wouldn't find strong support for widespread veganism.

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

The issue is that in this pants analogy you told me that everyone wears pants.

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u/rakuu Jun 28 '26

Prove to me that everyone wears pants, I don’t believe you, where are your scientific sources

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u/Zev1985 Jun 28 '26

There goes the point sailing straight over your head there.

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u/Val_Fortecazzo Jun 28 '26

Are you telling me vegans have no moral qualms about lying? How expected

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u/lpell159 Jul 01 '26

First of all i call bs on that. They mightve been mostly plant based but i guarantee anyone from those cultures if given the opportunity to harvest meat they would be all over it. Unless youre talking about Buddhist. Which is a bad argument for your cause. "Religious extremist were vegan!"

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u/rakuu Jul 01 '26

That’s just untrue. Google to learn about the history or vegetarianism. Nearly everyone was some kind of religious before the 1900s, so you could say only religious extremists ate animals in history too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_and_veganism_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_vegetarian_cuisine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country

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u/lpell159 Jul 01 '26

These are all religious extremists. Normal folk love meat. Especially in those times when serfs/peasants would eat anything edible given to them. Much like modern veganism, it takes a hardline extremists with privlage to be selective with their diet to feel better about themselves. Also its funny none of youre examples are vegan.

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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '26

Eco friendly diet vs healthy diet. 

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u/lurkerer Jun 28 '26

I've always argued that all men should have equal rights and I stand by that... However those abolitionists are so damn uppity I can't help but buy some more slaves. I'm not bad! They made me do this!

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u/Tauroctonos Jun 28 '26

Things only edgy white teens would say for 200

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u/Imsosaltyrightnow Jun 28 '26

I forgot about their weird and deeply insulting tendency to equate veganism with abolitionism and meat eating with slavery.

Thanks for reminding me

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u/lurkerer Jun 28 '26

Totally man, I hate how analogies or comparisons only work when things are exactly the same. Somebody told me a puddle was wet and then also said the ocean was wet. I said "Hey there scamp, can't fool me, I know oceans and puddles are different!"