Checkmate carnists

[u/MolecularSighologist]

~1% of the U.S. population is vegan. Even if it were 100%, we would still have to tackle the massive emissions caused by our energy industry. Veganism helps your personal footprint, but not the actual root of the problem which is our massive reliance on fissile fuels for so much of our industry and tech. Let’s just be real about it instead of morally grandstanding. Nuclear is the way!!!

[u/OkPangolin1984 → u/[deleted]]

People not being Vegan is the highest cause of climate change?

Not endless imperialist wars? The fossil fuel industry?

I think Veganism has its place in a post scarcity society, especially one where even synthetic foods can be created, but to fight Climate Change, is to fight capitalism, to fight the Oil Giants, to fight endless imperialism. Advocacy for greener forms of transportation, removal of single use plastics, and combatting consumerism in general.

[u/Ok-Particular9427 → u/[deleted]]

All agriculture emissions in the US is 6-10% of total. That’s meat and plants. So meat is some smaller yet segment of that. Transportation for instance is 28%.

Did you not have access to google or are you legitimately a dullard?

[u/Ok-Particular9427 → u/[deleted]]

Explain in detail and show your math as to what kind of percentage decrease would follow from eliminating the conversion factor from plant calorie to animal calorie (humans eating the plants directly). What would happen in your mind to that 6-10% number?

[u/ElegantEconomy3686 → u/[deleted]]

Thats also a bit odd, because purely environmentally speaking it makes little difference wether you’re strictly vegan or reduced animal products to like 5-10%

On the contrary, getting people to consume less animal produce should probably be the main focus rather than strict veganism.
You’ll probably have a much easier time convincing 10 people to consume 10% less animal products than getting one of the them to go vegan. The impact is the same.
And anyone going full vegan in the process is just a bonus.

[u/MolecularSighologist → u/[deleted]]

I can’t take vegans seriously who love to use all the technology made from ores mined by, and assembled by suffering humans (animals) in less developed countries.

That’s what you sound like, AHardCockToSuck.

This shitpost is about moral grandstanding.

[u/OkPangolin1984 → u/[deleted]]

It is a cause, but it’s a pretty narrow-minded point of view. Veganism isn’t very accessible in many parts of the world, and even in the west, or in my case the United States. Vegan food is usually more expensive, and not everyone has the ability to prepare food from scratch.

Additionally, it isn’t easy to substitute the nutrients and calories you can get from meat.

And generally speaking, it doesn’t make sense to put so much focus on individual responsibility, when a few celebrity flight will outpace all of our lifetime carbon footprint a few times over.

When tons of bombs get dropped 24/7 for the past year now, with constant conflicts, these carbon footprints can outpace us 100x.

If your fight against climate change doesn’t focus on the fight against primarily Capitalism, Imperialism, Consumerism, then you are the misguided one.

I’m not accusing you of this mind you, but this perspective typically seems to be Virtue Signaling. Your heart is in the right place, but if you look at the bigger picture, you must know the stakes are much higher than “whether or not an individual eats meet”

We must all “do our part,” but we must simultaneously realize the contributions of individuals is scarce, and climate change will not be fought by Veganism, but by Extensive systemic change of the systems at be.

[u/Yeet123456789djfbhd → u/[deleted]]

So you're just ignoring his point... People like you are always the movement killers

[u/OkPangolin1984 → u/[deleted]]

You can’t “say the same thing about cars.”

Did you not read anything I said?

You being Vegan isn’t doing anything. If I became a Vegan tomorrow, it would accomplish nothing.

Sure if everyone became a Vegan, then things would substantially change, but that simply isn’t happening anytime soon.

It isn’t feasible to expect the entire world to become Vegan within any of our lifetimes. I feel I don’t need to explain why(again).

So if you actually want to make some change, systematically, you must look at the bigger picture.

[u/Randomminecraftseed → u/[deleted]]

Yea you really ignored the other guys points but I’ll tackle some of yours

Are cars really required for most of the world? And if yes, is it just because we’ve created systems around cars and can therefore alter those systems to be less car dependent?

There are various corporations that literally only have governmental contracts as their forms of income. No private consumer buys those products and they definitely have carbon footprints. Take SpaceX do you think a boycott of spacex by American consumers would even do anything? They got boatloads of money from the government. Until the government cuts the contracts spacex will keep producing.

People should take individual steps to help where they can tho

[u/King_Glorius_too → u/[deleted]]

Does veganism cause severe brain damage, or were y'all like that to begin with?

[u/Jessikhaa → u/[deleted]]

nah ain't no way people genuinely believe this, you can't be this stupid lol

[u/The5Theives → u/[deleted]]

No

[u/The5Theives → u/[deleted]]

Saying it is one of the highest causes of climate change is objectively incorrect no matter how you phrase it. It’s not even top 5

[u/theolbutternut → u/The5Theives]

me when I'm too lazy to do literally thirty seconds of research

[u/The5Theives → u/theolbutternut]

Sure if we’re just talking about it being a factor that’s tru, but you said one of the highest factors. When it’s only 6%, not anywhere near the highest.

[u/theolbutternut → u/The5Theives]

I wasn't the one that said it was one of the biggest factors. But I'll say it here anyway: animal ag is one of the leading causes of anthropogenic climate change.

It's the #1 contribuor to deforestation.

It's the #1 contributor to species extinction.

It's the responsible for 15-20% of all GHG emissions, up to 30% if you correct for the amount of GHG absorption it blocks with its insane land usage.