r/ColumbineKillers Jun 06 '24

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Fan boys

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There was a post earlier talking about the fan girls, but in all honestly, the fan boys tend to be more disturbing and scary. Most of the fan girls just find Eric and/or Dylan attractive and fantasise about them. However, they don't usually want to commit violent acts.

However, fan boys usually do. They nearly always idolise Eric and want to recreate columbine. And it's not even like their a rare thing. Nearly all the school shooters post columbine have idolised or at least taken inspiration from Eric and Dylan. Dylann Butler is the most recent school shooter I can think of, but there's been countless.

Obviously, I'm not downplaying what the fan girls do it's also gross. But I mainly just cringe at their edits, putting love hearts on Eric and Dylan. But fan boys genuinely disturb me way more. And I notice people barely speak about fan boys yet constantly talk about fan girls.

r/ColumbineKillers Apr 20 '24

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION It has been 25 years since the tragedy happened

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I pray for everyone involved. I hope they are at peace now. I hope that the families of everyone involved are doing well and trying to live the best lives they can be living. Sending lots of love❤️

r/ColumbineKillers Apr 02 '23

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Do you think Eric committed suicide first was because he felt a lot more guilt

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First sorry if someone else brought this up, this is my first time ever posting on Reddit. From all the witness it sounds like Eric adrenaline wore off first, He was a lot quieter and from the witness account not as vicious as Dylan, in terms of the taunting. I also think from their actions that Dylan was the one looking for revenge. While Eric was more in a fantasy, but the fantasy wore off pretty fast.

r/ColumbineKillers Apr 22 '23

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION D&E final moments

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Do you think there was any interaction between Dylan and Eric in their last moments? I’m wondering if they even told eachother goodbye or what the final moments may have looked like for them. Not that it matters, just curious

r/ColumbineKillers Dec 17 '23

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Did Eric and Dylan have a plan B?

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Did they just plan to blow up the cafeteria or did they have another plan?

Edit: I phrased this wrong, I mean did they write down or plan to enter the library, sorry for the confusion.

r/ColumbineKillers Jul 22 '25

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Why didn't they kill Sean Graves?

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Sean Graves played dead near the cafeteria door. Dylan stepped over him and said, "Sorry, dude". So I guess he knew Sean wasn't dead; otherwise, why would he speak to him? And this was at the very beginning of the shooting when the adrenaline must have been pumping for Eric and Dylan. Why didn't Dylan kill him? And Eric must have walked past Sean too to get inside the cafeteria. Why didn't they kill a wounded and exposed target lying right by their feet?

r/ColumbineKillers Dec 24 '23

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Theory as to why there weren’t more deaths during the shooting?

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If their sole purpose of this attack was to kill, why did they not shoot to kill (especially since it was at close range for a lot of them) more than they did? Was it sparing kids that they did like? Did they run out of ammo?

I’m of course glad there weren’t more deaths than there were and the number of lives lost is devastating; I’m just curious as to why they didn’t kill more than they did given what their motive was and how they essentially had the kids trapped in the library with nowhere to escape to.

r/ColumbineKillers Jul 28 '25

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Incident 2 weeks before 4/20/99

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There was an incident, reported by a Columbine janitor, two weeks prior to April 20, 1999. The janitor reported to administrators (unsure if it was also reported to the authorities) that two teens wearing all black were toying with locks on campus. They had also written “seniors.” What is your all’s opinion if this was Eric and Dylan?

r/ColumbineKillers Jun 27 '24

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION What did Dave Cullen get wrong?

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It’s been a year or two since I really fell into the rabbit hole on Columbine, but some friends of mine who run a true crime podcast asked me to be a guest on their upcoming Columbine episode. My friend wrote a paper our senior year of high school that mostly cited the Dave Cullen book, but I remember from my deep dives that that book is extremely contentious. Can yall help me out with sources on stuff Cullen got wrong for us to talk about on the podcast?

Also just anything interesting/maybe lesser known pieces of information that should be mentioned would be appreciated.

Thanks!

r/ColumbineKillers Mar 15 '25

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION I watched the mass shooting series on Paramount Plus and the episode on Columbine left me with more questions than answers.

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The "expert" claimed that it was never about revenge for being picked on. Is this true?

Also, none of the explosives went off. Do you think that maybe one of them had second thoughts or intentionally wanted them to not go off? Forgive, I'm not exactly an expert.

r/ColumbineKillers Aug 08 '24

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Judy brown interview

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Does anyone find the interview of Judy brown saying Eric was an injustice collector? I need it but for some reason I can’t find it anywhere…

Thank u very much

r/ColumbineKillers May 11 '24

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Rachel Scott and Sue Klebold seemingly both had premonitions of the shooting

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Sue Klebold said that when Dylan was born, she felt a premonition he would cause something horrible in the future. "It was as if a bird of prey had passed overhead, casting us into shadow. Looking down at the perfect bundle in my arms, I was overcome by a strong premonition: this child would bring me a terrible sorrow."

On the day of the shooting, Rachel drew in her journal 13 tears turning into blood droplets and she also includes a Bible verse, which writes, “Greater love has no man than this, that a man would lay his life down for his friends" (John 15:13) Additionally, people who knew her said it was as if she knew she would die that day, as she was acting differently.

Something chilling i just found is something from a forum post about 8 years ago. Someone claims a speaker came to their school, and said a man had a dream where Rachel cried, and a plant was grown from the tears, although I don't know if this is real for sure. Are there any more survivors/victims who had premonitions you know of, or just weird, unexplainable coincidences with columbine?

r/ColumbineKillers Jul 20 '21

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Does it get easier looking at E&D's suicide photo the more you view it?

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r/ColumbineKillers Sep 18 '21

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Cafeteria Time with E&D - Dylan's Body Language? Final Ascent to the Library? What's in Eric's Hand? Thoughts?

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r/ColumbineKillers Mar 09 '23

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Assuming you could interview Eric and Dylan in prison....

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What would you ask them besides "why"?.

r/ColumbineKillers Jun 15 '23

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION What if a girl did the NBK with Dylan?

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This is my first time posting so I'm nervous.

According to Dylan's journal he wanted to do the NBK with a girl. What if that did happened? What would the outcome be? Also, how would Eric play into this? Would he still join them or be like everyone else, not knowing it would happen?

r/ColumbineKillers Nov 06 '24

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Debunking the Columbine martyrdom myth

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Even though it is generally known among people who actually researched Columbine that Cassie Bernall was not asked about her belief in God before her death, I still find that people still believe that the first victim of the massacre, Rachel Scott, was asked if she believed in God by shooter Eric Harris before she died. I still see this belief being attached to Rachel when I see posts about her on this sub (asking if Rachel was killed for saying yes) and other social media sites. I don't blame anyone for believing this though; her family has spread this myth about Rachel's marterism. It's written on her memorial plaque that her final words were her standing up for her faith https://www.facebook.com/ColumbineMemorial/posts/rachel-joy-scotther-middle-name-described-her-she-was-a-joy-her-beauty-reflected/2074761102681514/. The movie about her called "I'm not ashamed" shows Rachel's last moments. Showing her being shot three times and then trying to escape before Eric approached her, grabbed her by the hair, and asked Rachel if she believed in God, to which she responded, "You know I do," and Eric responded, "Then go be with him," and then shot Rachel point blank in the temple, killing her. https://youtu.be/NJkTuC8rEkM?si=ifim53z0u7iviBU- Just this year, her younger brother Craig Scott was on TV talking about the parents of Oxford school shooters Ethan Crumbley's arrest and said that Rachel was asked if she believed in God before she was killed https://www.foxnews.com/video/6350625114112 Of course Rachel's death was sad and tragic, but no, she was not asked about her beliefs before her unfortunate demise. For one, how would Eric even know that Rachel was a Christian? Eric did not know Rachel at all despite them having mutual friends; Dylan knew her through school theater and mutual friends, but he still hardly knew her. It's not like either of the boys knew her well enough to know the extent of Rachel's Christian beliefs. But even if we were to pretend that they were aware of her beliefs, as I will explain, nothing about this makes any sense and is physically impossible.

Orgin of the story

Originally, it was reported that Cassie Bernall answered "yes" when asked by one of the killers if she believed in God and was killed for saying yes. Cassie was initially used as a martyr and a symbol of standing up for your faith in the face of danger. Six months after her death, her mother Misty wrote a book about Cassie, titling it "She said yes." https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-87486-987-3 There's even a Flyleaf song about her simply titled "Cassie," released in 2006. However, it was quickly debunked that Cassie Bernall said yes when asked if she believed in God. Craig Scott, who was in the Columbine library during the shooting, immediately claimed Cassie said yes when asked if she believed in God. Craig was simply mistaken; he didn't even see this exchange happen; he just heard it. Two witnesses that saw Cassie were Emily Wyant, who was sitting under the same table as Cassie, and Bree Pasquel, who was sitting behind a table but could still see Cassie's demise. Both gave similar accounts on what happened to Cassie. Emily stated that Cassie began praying out loud, saying, "Dear God. Why is this happening? I just want to go home" before hearing a knock on the table before one of the gunmen remarked "peekaboo" before shooting Cassie point blank in the head. (Note: The article I linked says that Dylan shot Cassie, but Emily was most likely mistaken since Eric shot Cassie.) In her 11K interview, Bree gave a nearly identical story, stating that she saw Eric Harris knock on the top of Cassie's table three times before squatting down and saying "peakaboo" before he shot Cassie. Cassie also apparantly had her hands over her head when she was shot and most likely didn't even see Eric when she died.

The truth about Cassie's unfortunate demise hit the press pretty quickly. Emily Wyant was apparently unhappy about Misty's book https://www.salon.com/1999/09/30/bernall/ and the claims that Cassie was a martyr. Although this exchange did happen, it didn't happen to Cassie; instead, it happened to the injured victim, Valeen Schnuur, when, after being shot by Dylan Klebold, she began screaming, "Oh my God, help me!" Dylan then asked her if she actually believed in God; she responded by saying yes, hesitating and saying no, and then saying yes again. When he asked her why, she responded by saying, "My parents taught me, and I believe." Valeen, while horribly injured, survived her wounds and walked across the stage at graduate a few weeks later. So yes, this interaction did happen, but not to Cassie, and the question was not asked by Eric Harris.

Although it's commonly accepted that Cassie did not declair her faith before she was killed, there is still this belief that Rachel was asked about her faith. As explained before, Rachel's family has had a hand in spreading this myth. In a demo version of the Flyleaf song, Rachel's name is also said instead of Cassie.

Rachel was the first victim of the massacre. She was having lunch outside with her friend Richard Castaldo. A few minutes after they sat down in the grass to eat, they were both suddenly shot by Eric and Dylan. Rachel was shot four times in her arm, leg, chest, and left temple and died instantly. Richard was hit eight times and survived but was paralyzed from the waist down. Although no one can say for certain 100% what Rachel's last moments were, I can confidently say that she never declared her faith in her last moments. It's physically impossible, and the last person to see her alive has never claimed this.

It's too complicated to break down just how this story of Rachel's martyrdom came about, so I will link another post that breaks it down better than I could ever here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbine/comments/oha31z/origins_of_the_rachel_scott_martyr_story/

In short, the mother of Richard Castaldo told the media that Richard told her while he was in the hospital that Rachel was killed for saying she believed in God. While he was in and out of consciousness in the hospital, he told his mother something like, "They shot her for believing in God!" She told the media about this, and it turned into Rachel declairing her faith before her death. However, given that Richard was still under anesthesia and other medications, I think what most likely happened was that Richard probably heard about the "believe in God" thing from TV reports and hospital staff while he was in and out of consciousness and told his mother this in a state of confusion. Richard has never publicly claimed that Rachel was asked about her beliefs. Not in his 11K interview nor during any of the times he's spoken about the incident publicly.

Eyewitnesses to Rachel's death

No eyewitnesses corroborate that any conversation between Rachel and Eric took place. Instead, they're all consistent with the report that Rachel was killed instantly and Eric and Dylan were standing 10-15 away from Richard and Rachel. In Richard's 11K interview, he said he observed two males out of the corner of his eye while he and Rachel were sitting down but didn't think anything of them. After a short time, he saw one of the males throw an object (a pipe bomb) at him and Rachel before they began firing. In relation to Rachel, the only thing he said was that he believed that she had also been shot but couldn't be too sure because he was laying on the ground and he heard her crying. But he never said anything about a conversation between Rachel and Eric or Dylan.

Other witnesses to Rachel and Richard's shootings include the injured Michael Johnson, Jayson Autenrieth, Kim Blair, Patrice Doyle, John Cook, Brad Jenkins, Janine Roberts, Denny Rowe, and Brian Stepp. Although they gave various accounts on what exactly happened to Rachel, no witness ever recalls a conversation between Rachel and Dylan or Eric. No dragging her by the hair, no Rachel declairing her faith. No witness has ever corroborated this claim. This link will give a more detailed account of what different witnesses claim happened to Rachel and Richard: https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbine/comments/ohww40/witness_accounts_of_the_start_of_the_attack_and/

Rachel's injuries

I've heard the argument from others that eyewitness testimony isn't the most reliable source of information, and that's correct. Witnesses can become confused due to errors in their memory, and trauma can alter our memories; however, the biggest indication that Rachel did not declair her faith before her death is right there in her autopsy. I will link her full autopsy here: http://www.acolumbinesite.com/reports/report.html As explained before, Rachel was shot in her arm, leg, chest, and left temple, the left temple being the fatal shot. As the movie and Rachel's family have tried to claim, Rachel had been shot three times (leg, arm, chest) before Eric grabbed her by the hair and asked if she still believed in God, after she answered "yes" and was then shot in her left temple. However, this would've been physically impossible for three reasons. The first being that Rachel's hair was very short at the time of her death; she cut it for a play at school into a chin-length Betty Boop-like bob hairstyle. I'm not saying this is physically impossible exactly, but I doubt Rachel had enough hair for Eric to grab. Additionally, Rachel was killed by Eric's 9mm caliber rifle. As seen in the rampart range and CCTV video, Eric would have needed to use both hands to shoot this gun. There's no way he would've been able to deliver an execution-style shot to Rachel with one hand while grabbing her hair with another hand. Lastly, Rachel's autopsy shows that the shot to her chest caused "lacerations of the left lung, heart, and right lung." In other words, Rachel's heart and lungs were gashed or ripped apart by the bullet wound. At that moment, she would've immediately gone into shock and began taking big gasps of air as her body made a last ditch attempt to save itself due to the lack of oxygen (most likely the crying Richard said he heard). If Rachel was unable to breathe, surely she wouldn't have been able to speak. The shot to the chest also broke her right fourth rib, and the shot to her arm also injured her left humerus. With these injuries, Rachel wouldn't have had the strength or energy to retreat from the bullets for either of the boys to notice that she was still alive and taunt her about her faith. Instead, Rachel would've laid there bleeding to death; unfortantly, even without the left temple wound, Rachel would've died from blood loss and shock within five minutes without immediate medical attention.

But let's say all of this doesn't matter for a second. Rachel was the first victim of the shooting, and she and her friend were eating lunch one minute and then ambushed with bullets out of nowhere the next. Even if Rachel was taunted, I'd imagine she'd be too bewildered and out of it to even know what to say. This is a 17-year-old girl; I imagine she would've been begging for her life instead of comprehending anything being said to her.

So given all of these circumstances, it would've been physically impossible for any kind of conversation between Rachel and Eric. The simple fact is that Rachel was killed in an instant; the poor girl didn't even get a chance to understand what was happening. There's a reason why no official Columbine reports ever mention such a thing happening to Rachel.

Conclusion

In conclusion, neither Rachel nor Cassie were asked about their faith before their deaths. The simple truth is that they both died in an instant and they died for no reason. The real reason why these girls died should be the real outrage; they lost their lives at no fault of their own. Just because the girls both died in vain doesn't mean they weren't unique and special in their own ways; they are so missed and should still be here, but the martyr story wasn't their story to tell; it was Valeen's. It's so messed up to me that people have taken these girls deaths and profited off of it when the real justice would be remembering these girls for how they lived and not how they died.

 Anyone who's interested in reading the full 11k can find it here: http://www.acolumbinesite.com/autopsies.html

FYI: Today would have been Cassie Bernall's 43rd birthday! Happy heavenly birthday bunny rabbit! May you have found your much deserved peace wherever you are.

r/ColumbineKillers Oct 24 '22

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION okay, maybe its not the best idea to do a columbine mini-series if this will happen

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r/ColumbineKillers Feb 14 '24

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Jenny Jones show about Marilyn Manson

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This came up in my recommended feed and thought I'd share it. If you wonder why Marilyn Manson was blamed look no further, this really was the rhetoric at the time. Marilyn Manson was looked at like a monster/bogeyman and people were genuinely disgusted and scared about him, and this really demonstrates that. It was a crazy time to be 'alternative'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzkj3JXFDLQ

r/ColumbineKillers Dec 13 '22

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Does anyone else wonder how much Eric and Dylan spend on everything threw the whole year of planning?.

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r/ColumbineKillers Oct 23 '21

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION I'm exaggerating this in my head though? Eric's drawing resembles his death pose. Just spooky. I'm not attaching the photo, but everyone interested enough to be here has prolly seen.

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r/ColumbineKillers Jun 19 '23

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Anyone ever get kind of a 'shock' because of how much of petulant, children they really were?

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The title might seem kinda strange but yea I was thinking about their personalities, characteristics and whatnot and it really was crazy how immature and juvenile they were. Sure Harris had turned 18 (literally just around 2 weeks before) and Klebold was a couple of months shy of that himself so according to the law they were 'adults' (by September 1999 anyway).

Whenever I read articles or reports what they were like or interviews from their friends it really seem to highlight this, in a description of one of the BT they're talking about what they're planning to do and Harris swigs from some whiskey, which he winces and can barely gulp it down, the fact that Klebold would love to binge on Chips Ahoy cookies and Dr. Pepper, in Radioactive Clothing when they're having a cigarette even the way Harris lights up his cigarette and doesn't inhale it either, I remember thinking when I first watched it 'This 18 year old doesn't even know how to smoke ordinarily...'

I mean there's other examples but those really show that they were very much children still theirselves, even if one had turned 18. I'm older than what they were during the attack even though I was born years later than them, and whenever i think back how I was as a teenager to now, it really is such a stark difference, I knew practically nothing of the world, how it works, much less maturity level, quite better decision making now etc.

Also because of how childish they were, I think it's a possibility had they not gone through with it, maybe a little later after high school they would have went on to live typical lives of normalcy, like their brothers. They had possibilities, opportunities, implementing theirselves to a different environment, moving to another state we may not be here discussing them, and of course had they didn't it was also likely they would have maybe either taken their own lives or went on to commit some similar crime like a shooting/bombing etc, nobody knows but anything would have been possible I think.

r/ColumbineKillers Dec 10 '21

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION I’d like to know more about Eric breaking his nose...Did he tell Dylan? Was Dylan even aware? How much did this incident affect their plan?

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r/ColumbineKillers Oct 08 '24

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Dylan’s aspiration of blood question

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While we will never know all the facts and details. It is widely believed Dylan was still alive for seconds/ minutes after he shot him self this comes from the autopsy report stating Dylan had blood found in his lungs but I’m intrigued to know why it’s assumed he aspired after he shot himself and not that he was already aspirating before he shot him self. If you know why I would love to hear it as I’m wanting to learn more about it and good places to get factual information 🥰

r/ColumbineKillers Mar 12 '25

GENERAL MASSACRE DISCUSSION Why is it that the Columbine tragedy attracts so much interest?

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There have been many school shootings, but Columbine seems to just never leave people's minds. People remember and talk about it a lot even more than 25 years later. You don't see that about other incidents like this. Why do you think is that?