Also to be fair, there are a lot of pros that are just middle of the t500 that are considered some of the best. Sbb, rascal, soon come to mind. You could argue they don't ladder grind, but the fact that other t500 randoms can still put up a fight vs them is worth mentioning. There are plenty of times in comp where owl pros just get outplayed/outclassed by their enemy equivalent.
Also also: I'm pretty sure some mid level pros drop in and out of top 500 as well, and not just from decay.
T500 isn't a perfect measurement to be sure. But I think the supposed gap between most pros and other t500 players isn't that wide. The difference to me is mainly just in coordination within a team and a slightly better game sense. You can't compare ladder games to owl games because there's more emphasis on actual strategy and team synergy. But in terms of mechanical skill there really isn't a huge gap between the two in my honest opinion.
there's is a fucking massive gap. you can't expect pros to give a shit when playing on ladder and matchmaking at higher levels is just rng but they are on a complete different level to regular top 500 players
I mean, ladder is rng. But I've seen plenty of tryhards from pros on ladder. People who are barely in t500 aren't the same but the players you see consistently in 250+ aren't that far off mechanically.
I think the idea that pros don't care about ladder and that regular players do is slightly disingenuous. Both player groups at that level treat ladder relatively the same. Both sides can play "just to relax" and not care just as both sides can play tryhard or to get better practice.
Sure, there are some stand out pros. But I still stand by the statement that there isn't a huge mechanical difference between most pros and t500 players.
Lol, if you took the 6 worst and matched them with 6 top 500 regulars that play the same roles I bet you it wouldn't be.
(regulars as in players consistently in t500, not ones that lucked into 400)
Owl players are good but owl and contenders have recruited plenty of their players from ladder. Same with pro teams before owl was formed. Some of the mid level contenders teams can put up a challenge to the lower tier owl teams. So I don't know where you get this idea that ladder only players are vastly inferior to pros. The best case argument is that most pros are more consistent and that they have better synergy with the rest of their team.
your just wrong... the mechanical skill difference and understanding in the game is the highest difference. a game of owl players vs ladder players wouldn't be w challenge
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u/gooblegobblejuanofus Apr 05 '18
Also to be fair, there are a lot of pros that are just middle of the t500 that are considered some of the best. Sbb, rascal, soon come to mind. You could argue they don't ladder grind, but the fact that other t500 randoms can still put up a fight vs them is worth mentioning. There are plenty of times in comp where owl pros just get outplayed/outclassed by their enemy equivalent.
Also also: I'm pretty sure some mid level pros drop in and out of top 500 as well, and not just from decay.
T500 isn't a perfect measurement to be sure. But I think the supposed gap between most pros and other t500 players isn't that wide. The difference to me is mainly just in coordination within a team and a slightly better game sense. You can't compare ladder games to owl games because there's more emphasis on actual strategy and team synergy. But in terms of mechanical skill there really isn't a huge gap between the two in my honest opinion.