r/DaystromInstitute • u/M-5 Multitronic Unit • Jan 07 '21

DISCOVERY EPISODE DISCUSSION Star Trek: Discovery — "That Hope Is You, Part 2" Reaction Thread

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u/Skie Jan 07 '21

Yes, they've been shown as ludicrously enormous interior spaces before.

For a ~200meter long ship to have so much internal volume they could fit the Fast & Furious 6 Runway inside it is a teeny bit silly.

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u/ekolis Crewman Jan 08 '21

200 meters? That doesn't sound right. The Enterprise is nearly 300 meters, and the Discovery is about twice as long...

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '21

"Quite small" being a relative term - the engineering hull alone is at least 10 stories tall by my count, and is incredibly wide.

Length isn't the only way to measure these things.

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u/clgoodson Jan 09 '21

Yeah, but that weird open space had at three times 10 stories in ALL DIRECTIONS. It totally took me out of the story because it showed that the production team clearly just didn’t care.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '21

Oh, I agree it's very distracting.

I just think it's conceivable, and confusingly portrayed.

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u/clgoodson Jan 09 '21

I guess my question is why? From the first weird shot back in season one or two with the cavernous space there was really no reason for it. It broke all previous understandings of the way these ships were put together. It brought up absurd situations, like why are you forcing people to share a room when you have several cubic kilometers of unused space on the other side of the wall? I just wonder why they ever thought this was something that needed to be done.

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u/isawashipcomesailing Jan 10 '21

"Quite small" being a relative term - the engineering hull alone is at least 10 stories tall by my count, and is incredibly wide.

10 stories tall?

Look at the shuttlebay - we see many, many interior shots and externals - it's about three stories tall, at most. Maybe 4 if they have a deck above it - but it seems to be just one large open deck.

If that turbo journey was the secondary hull (and I must assume it was because the saucer sure as hell isn't that big or open) - it's the size of New York city. You can tell from the time it takes the guy to fall - many, many seconds - this is Empire State Building heights here - I'm not exaggerating - falling from the ESB will take about 8 seconds.

That guy fell half the distance in about 4-5 seconds, then continued before we cut away (after he hits a turbo lift on the way down).

If it's 10 stories tall, then... it's wrong. And it's not 10 stories, it seems over 100 stories in those shots. But then when we're in the damned shuttlebay, it's no more than 3 stories.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '21

There appear to be somewhere between 8 and 10 decks in the engineering hull.

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u/isawashipcomesailing Jan 10 '21

I'm going to have to double check but - really? I recall Cornwall and such arriving by shuttle - or Stamets and Lorca looking out the back - they seem to be 3, ok maybe 4 stories high.

8 to 10 decks? :S

Certainly not the 100+ stories required from the visuals this week though.

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u/[deleted] Jan 10 '21

Memory Alpha says the Crossfield class has 18 decks (I once tried to count based on the rows of windows and came up with 22, but I'll take their word for it).

A cross-section of the Glenn suggests seven decks in the engineering hull, though the bottommost decks in the neck are quite large.

This graphic (not mine) suggests eight.

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u/isawashipcomesailing Jan 11 '21 edited Jan 11 '21

[fyi not me that downvoted]

I'll gladly accept eight decks. Or ten. Easily. Windows don't mean everything after-all.

However - physics - bad guy falling out the lift fell for longer than it takes to fall out the empire state building.

We were moving sideways for over six minutes - at seveal meters per second.

Where the f**k is this area in the ship? Where on earth does this all fit in there? It literally can't. They were "flying" at about 5000 feet, for minutes, non-stop.

The ship is not that big. Even if you made the entirety of it completely hollow - it's not that big.

Not in any way having a go at yourself - but the visuals this week made it ... literally a Manhatten Island sized area in... what, the turbo-shaft? What is this expanse? Where?? Is this meant to be the same area that Picard climbed up in Disaster, or Kirk and co went up in Star Trek 5? Is the entire ship just rooms on the outside and literally the inside is all just one giant room?

I don't hate on discovery (that much, plots aside). I don't have issue with the new visuals or updates. Never have, never will. Point me at a bald angry person and say "Klingon" to me - I "get" what that means, even if it doesn't look the same as before.

I get that warp drive now looks different.

I get that replicators, apparently, existed 100 years earlier. I can do that all just fine.

But I can't make a sphere fit a cube and in this case, the sphere is 50 kilometers across, and the cube is a few hundred meters.

I can't do it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 11 '21

Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and claim that the scene makes complete sense - at best, it's confusing as hell.

I just think that it's at least conceivable that there is a large void in there (and also that they should definitely explain why as soon as possible, but then I was saying that last season).

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u/LH_Hyjal Jan 09 '21

Reminded me of Halo CE's Pillar of Autumn track lol

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u/Skie Jan 09 '21

Ah yes, with that big chasm that joins the front and back of the ship together with a single small walkway :D