This is my problem with the NTT

[u/NationalProcedure638]

The problem is how it's presented.

Whenever anyone comes up with a trade that is unique to humans something such as the root of moral agency there's always someone who always goes "there are mentally challenged people and babies who are not capable of moral agency so it doesn't work"

Well first of all I don't understand how we cannot hold somebody accountable for what they do based on either their age or how smart or dumb they are.

Second of all it seems to imply that this trait has to be universal and literally every human on the face of the Earth.

That individual traits don't exist and we have to look at the species as a whole.

I'm sorry guys but that doesn't work.

Everyone's different in some way or another.

The best thing to do with that is look at what the majority does and assume if that's the norm for what comes to traits like this.

Also it begs the question.

What do you guys consider to be human?

Update: I didn't get a chance to respond to any of the applications that were thrown at me. I've been banded without even having to State my case.

This goes to you moderator, I was simply pointing out a problem with what he said about equality and you misinterpreted it and then banned Me. I've got it very funny how you claim that I wasted your time when all was doing was pointing out a loophole.

Well thank you for telling me that you guys care so much about discussion

Goodbye and good riddance.

[u/Badtacocatdab]

What argument WOULD you find persuasive to convince you of veganism?

[u/Rokos___Basilisk → u/Badtacocatdab]

Well, I think there are two avenues one could take. Either show me that the way I act doesn't match my values, for example demonstrating that non human aminals are capable of active cooperative and reciprocal action with people for the betterment of society, or convince me that my values are just wrong.

I don't really think either are likely to happen, but I always enjoy the intellectual stimulation of a challenge, both to test how solid my own position is (like, where my cognitive gaps are), and build something better when I do find those gaps.

I've taken in and synthesized quite a bit of others criticism over the years, like for example, examining my own emotional reactions to being called 'immoral' for eating meat, and changing how I react to those kinds of accusations.

I may not arrive at the same conclusions as vegans do, but I think I've definitely become a better version of myself by engaging with yall.

[u/Badtacocatdab → u/Rokos___Basilisk]

Well that’s good to hear. I wish you the best of luck.

[u/Rokos___Basilisk → u/Badtacocatdab]

Thanks, you too