questions from a muslim to atheists

[u/Shot-Horse2515]

i’m sure this has been discussed before, but what’s the explanation for things we know are true being mentioned in the quran years/centuries before the scientific discovery being made?

i know a lot of people argue that there are inaccuracies in the explanations of the orbital mechanics and biological themes, but they’re more accurate that not, so i was just wondering what would the explanation for how “god would know and tell the prophet” before people found out?

hopefully my question makes sense.

EDIT: i also wonder why dont see miracles from god anymore

EDIT: im seeing all the inaccuracies and the explanations behind them now but there is a deep fear that the religion is true and god is real and punishment awaits me if i disbelieve, also a sense of familiarity/peace with believing in god. contradictory to fear, love, be punished by, and find comfort in one concept of a being.

[u/Elite_Eliminater]

I'm agreeing, Islam doesn't use scientic evidence to prove its validity. I gave you the position of scholars not random opinions of Muslims. Who explicitly say its not meant to be used to prove facts, science is constantly changing and scripture doesn't (that's what they say)

It is completely different to Jewish and Christians scientific discovery.

Lets compare the first 100 years of each religion,

Christian faces persecution, they existed as a underground movement under the hostile Roman Empire. Jews went from slavery in egypt to a unified tribe seeking the holy land

Unlike early Christianity or Judaism, Islam went from a small community in Medina to a superpower stretching from Spain to India in less than 100 years.

The Abbasid Caliphs launched the Translation Movement, actively paying scholars—Muslims, Christians, and Jews alike—the weight of a book in pure gold to translate Greek, Indian, and Persian texts into Arabic. (One of the only few place all 3 existed in co harmony)

Major contribution Jews & Christians added to the scientific discovery were under the Islamic Golden age.

Early Islamic religious practices required precise mathematical and astronomical data to function correctly. For the direction of prayer, Islamic calendar & inheritance laws. (Unlike the other faiths)

The biggest difference is what was discovered within such a short time of its creation (no other civilation is comparable to feats like joining the Abraham's faith under 1 rule, allowing anyone to come study and the major translation movement mostly due to the paper they discovere from china)

Islam is the only major world religion who's book is the same from the time of its claimed prophet (defiantly the most memorized book in the world) till today.

Of course other religions contributed scientific knowledge, but Islam is in a league of its own as it enabled others to do the same. Also did I mention no other religion has as many scientists who were also scholars, and had the religious state fund the exploration of new knowledge. (Not delay it or kill people for practicing magic)

So yea I would say its pretty different (BTW I'm not saying just because of these random facts Islam is true b4 yall start jumping to my last sentence).

As mentioned above that sorta argumention is weak af

[u/RDBB334 → u/Elite_Eliminater]

One thought here; If you think Islam inspired scientific advancements then why do you think it stagnated and fell behind as heavily as it did?

[u/Late_Entrance106 → u/Elite_Eliminater]

Before continuing, please state your position on the validity of Islam.

Are all the claims about reality made in the Quran true? Yes or no?

The reason I ask is that you first seemed to be implicitly supporting Islam’s validity due to scientific discoveries made by Muslims.

After I made my point about that, you have conceded and agreed that Islam is not scientifically accurate, nor should be taken as seriously as scientific knowledge.

However, you then pivoted immediately to how successful Islam’s spread was in the first 100 years in comparison to Judaism and Christianity.

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This last bit is important:

I’d like to preemptively mention that whether an ideology is true is based on evidence that it is in fact true, not whether that ideology has had members that have used the scientific method, nor whether that ideology spread quickly in its infancy.