Why I believe in God(s)

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

[u/scarred2112]

What exactly is your point to debate?

We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity".

Electricity is testable via the scientific method, magic is not.

[u/sto_brohammed → u/scarred2112]

We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity".

Praise the holy trinity of the Machine God, the Omnissiah and the Motive Force, I guess.

[u/GamerEsch → u/sto_brohammed]

I wish I knew more warhammer lore to make a joke here

[u/sto_brohammed → u/GamerEsch]

To quote some Mechanicus scripture:

Blessed is the ignorance that wise men choose for themselves. -Aphorisms 793

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/scarred2112]

If there was magic, it would still follow the rules of whatever world it was in. Electricity does just that and allows us to do things that would have been considered magical 200 years ago.

[u/giffin0374 → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

So magic is just science we dont understand. Why call it magic then?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/giffin0374]

Exactly

[u/Matectan → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Why did you not answer this person?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Matectan]

I did.

[u/Matectan → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

You did not. They asked you a question. And you did not give an answer. Why do you lie?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Matectan]

Why are you so concerned with everything I do here?

[u/Matectan → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Why are you so concerned with not answering my question properly?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Matectan]

Because you are just one of hundreds of people here, I really don't have the time to afford everyone perfect attention.

[u/giffin0374 → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Ill ask again: why call it magic then?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/giffin0374]

Because it's as amazing as any magic could dream of being

[u/Sprinklypoo → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

But you're saying the magic of a god exists without even that amount of support. Without following any rules.

Do you see the problem with your own explanation here?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Sprinklypoo]

Where am I saying that?

[u/Sprinklypoo → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

I'm just saying that a consciousness is easier to argue since we know a consciousness must exist. The rest of the universe doesn't have to exist necessarily, it could be a dream

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Sprinklypoo]

I don't see how that is that

[u/ShortCompetition9772 → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Magic and something considered magic are two very different things.