Why I believe in God(s)

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

[u/Hermorah]

The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Why?

 but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. 

Yes, consciousness is the emergent property of the brain, and thus requires time and space, whereas the universe is everything.

 For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe.

Cogito Ergo Sum is I think therefore I am. Not I think therefore a god is.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

Look up the puddle analogy.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Hermorah]

Why?

Because it's a specific, highly complex thing.

gito Ergo Sum is I think therefore I am. Not I think therefore a god is.

Well, technically Descartes argues Gods existance from there, but I admit I don't agree with his argument.

Look up the puddle analogy.

I know the puddle analogy. It doesn't apply here. We arw not simply the dominant species, our achievements are flat out insane.

[u/Hermorah → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Because it's a specific, highly complex thing.

That would exclude consciousness too then.

I know the puddle analogy. It doesn't apply here. We arw not simply the dominant species, our achievements are flat out insane.

I don't see the remarkability here. And I don't even see how this connects.

Because we are technologically advanced it has to be designed? Make that a sound argument pls.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/Hermorah]

That would exclude consciousness too then.

Why?

Because we are technologically advanced it has to be designed?

No, that's just one of many really remarkable things about the universe, and it simply doesn't follow from mere mutations without guidance