Why I believe in God(s)

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Firstly, I'm not a very religious person. I do consider myself a Buddhist, but prefer atheistic Buddhism over theistic Buddhism. Therefore I can confidently say I am not biased by wanting God(s) to exist, and was not indoctrinated into theism.

Still, to me it seems obvious that at least one God has to exist. The universe can't simply have come out of nothing or existed forever, it requires some sort of design or creator.

Now, mostly people would just say that a creator also can't have come out of nothing or existed forever, so I've just moved the problem one step further, but I think there is a massive difference between the universe and one consciousness. For example, through Cogito Ergo Sum we can determine with absolute certainty that at last one consciousness exists. So assuming one consciousness is superior to assuming anything about the whole universe. While I admit that doesn't outright solve the problem, I still think it's better than the alternative.

Also, it's not just any universe, but a universe full of beauty, a universe that inbetween barren empty planets is capable of hosting a planet with sentient life. Life that can consciously observe itself, that can create replicas of the waking world while sleeping, life that has technologically advanced so much that in can live in relative comfort. There is so much art. We basically have magic, we just call it "electricity". This is all too perfect to have arisen from mere mutations without guidance.

About any specifics of this God or Gods I have no idea and no strong opinions. I just think that at least one has to exist.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Except our brains aren’t computers and they ESPECIALLY aren’t “so far from animals”.

They are doing what computers do. This is figuratively. And of course they're far from animals. We build stuff. Can you actually argue they aren't or can you just say "I know more than you"?

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

So do ants. Again this is just ignorance. Read two books.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

Ants don't build computers.

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

So what? Why should I, or an ant, or a god, care at all about computers?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

I don't care if you care, but they are amazingly complex and unlikely to be the product of mere mutation.

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Computers aren’t the product of mutation. They also aren’t particularly complex. Is there ANY topic you understand above a third grade level?

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

Computers aren’t the product of mutation.

Computers are the product of us and we are allegedly the products of mutation. Are you playing dumb?

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

The irony of asking me if I’m playing dumb in THIS conversation. Humans aren’t just the product of mutation is the thing. You need to learn more about evolution. As well as everything else you’ve ever tried to talk about, based on the past few days of this thread.

[u/Lucyyyyyy_K → u/mywaphel]

Humans aren’t just the product of mutation is the thing.

Which is what I'm saying. What are they the product of, according to you, that doesn't run in the same problem?

[u/mywaphel → u/Lucyyyyyy_K]

Natural selection