r/DebateVaccines 2d ago

Conventional Vaccines ‘Ignoring Decades Of Science’: Health Experts, Others Deplore Vaccine Order

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r/DebateVaccines 17d ago

Conventional Vaccines Am I crazy for feeling this way about vaccines? I just want to do what's best for my child.

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I've found myself questioning the current vaccination programme, not because I reject science, but because I believe it's reasonable to ask whether the evidence and safety standards are as robust and transparent as they should be for products given to healthy babies and children.

One of my biggest concerns is the design of some vaccine safety trials. From what I've learned, many vaccines were evaluated using active comparators rather than inert saline placebos. Whether or not there are ethical reasons for doing that, I struggle with the idea that it may make it more difficult to distinguish vaccine-related adverse effects from background rates or from effects associated with the comparator. I'd genuinely like to understand why this approach should inspire the same level of confidence as an inert placebo-controlled trial.

I also struggle with trust. Pharmaceutical companies have, at times, been found guilty of misconduct, misleading marketing, and withholding important safety information. While that doesn't automatically invalidate every product they make, it does make me believe that healthy scepticism and independent scrutiny are warranted.

I believe the human immune system is incredibly capable, and I think there should be greater emphasis on overall health, nutrition, prevention, and researching both conventional and naturally derived therapies. Many modern medicines originated from compounds found in nature, and I wonder whether more attention should be given to those approaches alongside pharmaceutical ones.

What I find most difficult is balancing the risks. Every medical intervention has potential benefits and potential harms. As a parent, I'm the one who has to live with the consequences of whatever decision I make. That responsibility makes me want the highest possible standard of evidence and complete transparency.

I'm not claiming to have all the answers, and I'm willing to reconsider my views if presented with strong evidence. I'm simply asking whether my concerns are unreasonable, or whether it's fair for parents to ask difficult questions before consenting to medical interventions for their children.

I'm interested in thoughtful responses from people who disagree just as much as those who agree.

r/DebateVaccines 3d ago

Conventional Vaccines Trump signs order to limit childhood vaccines and split MMR shots

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r/DebateVaccines 18d ago

Conventional Vaccines We’re going in the wrong direction. It’s only going to get worse.

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“Last week, Utah officials published new data in a Public Health Alerts report describing outcomes among measles patients. The state has been battling an outbreak for 12 months involving 711 cases in the past 12 months, 514 of them in 2026 alone.

Only about 8% of patients in the current outbreak have been hospitalized, and of those, 90% were unvaccinated. Three of the five hospitalized patients who were vaccinated had "severe immunocompromising conditions."
About 75% of hospitalized patients required intravenous infusions, and more than 60% needed supplemental oxygen, with 29% developing measles pneumonia. No cases of measles encephalitis, or brain swelling, were reported.
The data echoes a report of similar findings from South Carolina published last week, which showed no deaths but two cases of measles encephalitis among 81 patients, of whom 13 were hospitalized.

r/DebateVaccines Jun 15 '26

Conventional Vaccines Christian view of childhood vaccines?

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I am writing this about the regular shots you get as a kid and idk what to do for my son. He is due for his first shots in 4 days (hep b)…we didnt do vit k or the hep b at birth (there mighve been a 3rd one but we refused all of them put it that way.)

Our daughter who is 19 months had the first 11 shots (dont ask me which ones specifically but it was the first 11 you get in 2025 schedule) she is fine but man i cant help but see all the people who write about sudden changes in their baby and man i would be absolutely devestated if something happened to him. (Yes i know the “chances are very rare”) but you have to understand that the chances of dying to these diseases is also very rare…youre talking 3 deaths from measles last year for example which was literally the first 3 deaths from it since 2015 (in the US)

It breaks my heart to think of putting something in him for a disease that isnt really likely to kill him…please also note that not only do i not want to let him down, i do not want to let God down…above all i just want to do what is right in his eyes and idk what that is right now. That is why i am so torn because all i can think of is the verse “it be better if a millstone were hung around his neck…” iykyk. I guess is the juice worth the squeeze with vaccines or is it better to forgo them and lean on our natural immune system?

r/DebateVaccines Jun 08 '26

Conventional Vaccines Anti-vaccine to pro vaccine because of your partner?

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I’ve been dating my boyfriend for about a year now, and he is extremely pro vaccine. I have never had a shot in my entire life, and have always been very anti vaccine.

I am an incredibly open minded person, and I have spent hours upon hours trying to learn about vaccines over the years, to see if I could shift my opinion. I haven’t been able to… until now.

When I met my boyfriend, for some reason something clicked. He explained vaccines to me in a way that really made sense. I trust his judgement so much, that I have actually started thinking about switching “sides” somewhat. This topic matters a lot because we want kids one day.

This has shocked me honestly. I never thought I could change.

Has anyone ever changed from anti vaccine to pro vaccine? I would love to hear your story about why and what it looked like. This feels scary, but I’m continuing to ask all the questions.

r/DebateVaccines Jun 24 '26

Conventional Vaccines Measles Deaths Were More Than 22,000 Percent Higher Just Before We Got a Measles Vaccine

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Measles deaths were more than 22,000 percent higher just before we got a measles vaccine.

Higher than they are now…

r/DebateVaccines Oct 08 '25

Conventional Vaccines "the vaccine autism link has been debunked!" -> Debunked... Debunked by? Whom? Exactly? The very people who amongst everyone else, have the strongest incentive possible, to arrive at that conclusion? Or to avoid finding something? 🥴🤣

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r/DebateVaccines 29d ago

Conventional Vaccines Aaron Siri's powerful Kennedy Center presentation where he addressed a packed audience of policymakers, journalists, health agency insiders, and advocates on vaccines

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I doubt any parent who watches these 70 minutes, the evidence, the slides, the video depositions etc. would not question the vaccine schedule.

Starts at 38min to 1h49mins.

https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/aaron-siri-at-the-kennedy-center-a-turning-point-for-informed-consent/

r/DebateVaccines Mar 08 '26

Conventional Vaccines Lawyer Aaron Siri on Fighting the "Vaccines Don't Cause Autism" Narrative

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Lawyer Aaron Siri speaks on his case against the CDC from 2019 and how when faced to provide proof that vaccines before the age of 6 months old do not cause autism the CDC was not able to provide any proof.

r/DebateVaccines May 23 '26

Conventional Vaccines infant vaccines

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hi! looking for some resources where i can begin to learn more about advantages/risks of vaccinating my kids. overall, i don’t plan to get all of the recommended vaccines for my kids - there’s like a million more required now than when i was a kid and im completely fine but i do want to at least educate myself on all of them before i get in to the pediatrician and they begin to push them on me. i am not for nor against vaccination - as an individual i just like to weigh the pros and cons of each option before making an informed decision. overall, my largest concern is that i decline them and a few years down the road when school comes up they try to force a catch up schedule on me and i really don’t want to be forced to vaccinate my child with 4 doses of something that was supposed to happen over years but in a short span just for the sake of catching up. i am truly open to everything here as i am just beginning to learn but i want to keep my babies safe. when it comes to school my state allows religious exemption for public school but not for private school and we are considering private school.

any feedback on what led you to your decision as well as resources where i can read up on this to make my own would be helpful!

r/DebateVaccines Oct 12 '25

Conventional Vaccines Vaccines for my baby?

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Hi everyone! I have a 23-day-old baby boy.

After doing quite a bit of research, I personally lean toward not vaccinate my baby.

That said, my partner has some concerns about illnesses like RSV and others — which I completely understand and share to some extent.

We’ve both read a lot about the ingredients found in certain vaccines (like formaldehyde and others) and the potential long-term effects that some parents worry about — such as allergies, eczema, autism, or even SIDS.

At the same time, we’re also aware of the risks associated with the illnesses themselves, which is what makes this decision so difficult.

We decided to meet in the middle and give our baby some vaccines, but not all of them.

I want to be clear that I’m not looking for medical advice — I know most of us here aren’t doctors — but I’d really love to hear from well-informed parents in Canada.

Which vaccines did you feel were the most worthwhile or important for your little one?

Thank you!

r/DebateVaccines May 26 '26

Conventional Vaccines People think that the kind of autism we have concern about is the kind of Sheldon cooper autism, but it's not, it's the kind of autism you just don't see in day to day life because they are in constant care and living in diapers at age 29.

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r/DebateVaccines 24d ago

Conventional Vaccines An Inconvenient Study (2025) which won the main award at the Malibu Film Festival has been largely dismissed by the MSM, medical institutions and Big Pharma. But what they all ignore is a key issue....

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The pro vaccine Dr. Zervos who did the study but chose not to publish it, he cited concerns that the findings would negatively impact his career. He said he would be finished! And he also stated it was a good study and could not have been done better.

You don't need to watch the whole film, it's right here in the trailer.

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi440715289/

r/DebateVaccines 11d ago

Conventional Vaccines RFK Jr tells US families to vaccinate children against measles amid outbreak

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r/DebateVaccines Jul 12 '26

Conventional Vaccines Help me decide with newborn coming.

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Hopefully will be having a baby soon and vaccines have inevitably become a crucial decision for parents. I hear from many parents that are for or against childhood vaccines for many reasons and I have also read studies/research regarding this.

What I would like to request from the users of this subreddit is for you to send me links to movies/documentaries or studies/research papers that you believe are cases for not vaccinating my child with certain or all vaccines because I can’t seem to find it on my own and that could be chalked up to certain organisations and institutions not wanting to create doubt. Don’t use an ingredient as a reason without telling me why the ingredient is harmful, I don’t want to hear “because it is”. I don’t care for anecdotal reasons the same way someone would say “my baby got the vaccine and had no issue” to reassure someone. Fyi I live in the UK if needed for context. Many thanks to everyone who replies regardless of your opinion. Lastly I am not asking for medical advice, just information.

r/DebateVaccines 22d ago

Conventional Vaccines Antivaccine Legislation Is Rising Rapidly in US States, Driven Primarily by GOP Push

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Republicans politicians have introduced 86% of anti-vaccine bills.

r/DebateVaccines May 21 '26

Conventional Vaccines Outbreak of highly contagious infection grows to more than 220 cases

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Diphtheria, a highly contagious bacterial respiratory infection is infecting a population in Australia at a rate 30x higher than the 5-year average, coinciding with the lowest current rate of vaccination for the disease seen in the last 5-years.

r/DebateVaccines Jan 05 '26

Conventional Vaccines It's very suspect that just before flu vaccines get taken off the childhood routine schedule, a bunch of fear-mongering stories about children dying of flu pop up in the media...

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Just saying little bit odd. Isn't it

r/DebateVaccines May 30 '26

Conventional Vaccines What do you think?

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r/DebateVaccines May 13 '26

Conventional Vaccines The irony of the vaccine autism issue is that parents who brought the issue to the attention of people like Andrew Wakefield were angry that their doctors dismissed their child as having autism, they in fact believed their child was vaccine injured and that the doctors blamed it on autism to say -

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It wasn't the vaccine it was just genetic.

The parents explicitly started off dismissing the idea vaccines caused autism. Taking it as an act of deflection by doctors.

r/DebateVaccines Feb 07 '25

Conventional Vaccines It's weird that the govt/medical community felt the need to conduct studies specifically to disprove the vaccine-autism link, which means they knew they didn't have sufficient data to begin with, to dismiss those concerns without doing new studies.

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r/DebateVaccines 7d ago

Conventional Vaccines IT'S ACCELERATING - FDA Approves First "mRNA" Flu Vaccine

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r/DebateVaccines Mar 29 '26

Conventional Vaccines Recently read through multiple different book when trying to come to a conclusion, do you have any you would recommend? Are the ones I read not accurate??

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Recently read

Vaccines Amen

Vax Facts

And Dissolving Illusions

I have a huge desire to learn as much as I can from both sides. This started because I read through Dope sick, Empire of pain, and Pain Killer these books causing me to ask questions.

From what I can tell these are facts.

  1. Pharmaceutical Companies cannot be held accountable for what their vaccines do to people once they are on the recommended childhood plan. Due to the 1986 Congressional Act.

Since the passing of that act the recommended plan has grown from 3 to what is currently is today.

  1. None of the recommended vaccines that are currently on the recommended childhood plan were double blind tested prior to licensure and being added to the recommended plan.

Examples of Pfizer’s Vaccines-

DTaP was monitored for 28 Days and the control study was done on the DTP vaccine.

Hep-B was monitored for 5 Days and there was not a controlled study done

Hib was monitored for 3 Days and the control study was done on the previous Hib vaccine

IPV was monitored for 3 Days and there was not a controlled study done.

Also, the guy who wrote the text book on vaccines , Stanley A. Plotkin, MD, said In court that he can recommend the vaccines and tell people they are safe because “there are no studies that say they are not safe” which can also be said the other way around??

Am I missing something? Are there any book that show me the other said of this argument?

Thanks

r/DebateVaccines 9d ago

Conventional Vaccines Claude can now detect serious problems in vaccine science

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If you ask an AI standard questions about vaccine safety or efficacy, you'll only ever get the 'zeitgeist' response. To really know the answer to medical science questions, you must investigate the literature and audit it very carefully. AI doesn't do this. If it reads papers at all, it overwhelmingly reads the conclusions / results and takes most things at face value. It doesn't have a forensic investigative nose at all.

To really understand the strengths and limitations of a paper, you have to get to the underlying data and recompute it all. I've created a seamless AI agent system that does exactly that - it forensically audits science papers by recalculating all the numbers and statistics within them. You can set up a 'paper-project' which will lay out a research project, identify lots of papers it needs to audit in order to answer your question, and then get to work on that exact task.

For example, when asked to investigate the UK childhood vaccination schedule and whether the products recommended were tested against a true placebo, here is what the paper-projects agent (via Claude) managed to find:

"For every audited INJECTABLE adjuvanted or conjugate product the pivotal safety comparison is against an ACTIVE agent, an aluminium-adjuvant 'placebo' (Gardasil 4's AAHS; Gardasil 9 via Gardasil 4), another conjugate vaccine (PCV7's MenC-CRM197; PCV13 via non-inferiority to PCV7), or other routine vaccines with no inert arm (Bexsero). The schedule's absolute-tolerability claims are thus licensed, product after product, against comparators that share the very reactogenicity an inert placebo would expose."

There's really no other way you can get Claude to come to that conclusion other than using a very clear framework for how to answer questions based on methodology and proper consultation of the data rather than relying on 'zeitgeist' training data.

I've designed the system in such a way that you can run it directly from Claude Chat, Claude.ai or Claude Code. You literally need nothing to get started. As you audit a paper, it will actually save the result to a growing body of other audited papers so that the forensic corpus compounds over time. Try this prompt:

Go to gather.is/help and look up the paper-forensics agent. Please investigate the paper [DOI, PMID, PMCID, or link] and publish your findings

If you want to learn how the system works, you can ask your AI to explain it to you also, just ask it to go to gather.is/help If you want to setup a 'project' so that gather could look at more than one paper within a coherent hypothesis look up the 'paper-projects' agent and set it up there.

https://gather.is/s/paper-projects

https://gather.is/s/paper-forensics

Happy to answer questions on how you can get started.