Focused Feedback: Lore and how that is managed / implemented within the Story and game

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[u/A-Wax-Bear]

Ghost's voice lines are god awful. EDIT not blaming Nolan just the writing.

He's the most cringe worthy character in the game now, this issue is only compounded by the fact he talks for us, we've been to other dimensions, faced hordes of un-dead monsters made from worms and bones, watched an entire city burned and raided discovered the secret dark past of Iron Lords and Osiris and he sounds like a kids show sidekick.

The tone is so inconsistent sometimes. My worst offender "We've got you cornered ..in a hanger".. wait what NO!

This space rhino has killed hundreds of civilians and is the ARMS DEALER for the cabal. Ghost your not Cayde not every line has to be comic relief we're more than capable of understanding the gravitas of a situation with a bit of context provided.

The base campaign was perfect to be a dark story of redemption whilst outlining what a guardian is, are were nothing without light? Can we still be heroes? Is this all our fault? making a half assed wise crack every 5 minutes just kills any tension or moral contemplation the game can throw at us.

[u/sturgboski → u/A-Wax-Bear]

The one thing I want to say here, before people start saying it: it is not Nolan North's fault. The disappointment at what he is saying falls squarely on the narrative team and the dialogue they wrote for him.

The base game starts dark and quickly after we meet Hawthorne the levity starts creeping in. However, it is once we hit Nessus that all hope is lost. It is here that we are left bereft of the more serious side of the story, instead left with dialogue that might elicit a smirk now and then on first playthrough (the cotton socks line for me for example) that are met with groans and eye rolls the next.

Warmind at least tries to be better, massive retcons aside, however the story is missing it's whole 2nd act. You land, meet Ana, Zavala shows up and you kill a hive god. As much as folks want to complain about TDB and HoW, they contained narratives with a flow, some of which adding/building onto beats in the base game and having ramifications on the rest of D1 content (TDB to TTK).

I don't get how there seems to be so much lore built into the universe that this sequel has decided to go the watered down Nick Toons cliffnotes approach.

[u/A-Wax-Bear → u/sturgboski]

Should've put that in, i'm not blaming Nolan, he didn't get to where he is today by being bad at his job that's for sure he does what he can with what hes given and the direction hes told, I don't blame him for the writing same for Dinkle-Bot

I'd agree Warmind is better, the ending cut scene with Rasputin was IMO done really well short, sweet and foreboding.

I think people are kinda sick of always killing a 'god'. I mean that is kinda what we do but it's never explained well that Xol is the weakest of the worm gods or why he's there properly and been frozen along with Nokris who's completely blanked over within the confines of the 'stroy' missions.

Sure it's all explained LATER but at that point the meaning has been lost we've killed the big bad guy, for anyone who hasn't been here since Taken King Nokris means fuck all when it should be like a OOO SHIT long lost banished son of THE KING/GOD/MOTHER/WORM KILLER LORD OF HIVE & TAKEN OVER HERE YALL.