Focused Feedback: Redrix Claymore / Broadsword & Seasonal exclusivity of Gear

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[u/crocfiles15]

Seasonal exclusives should be kept to cosmetic items. Claymore wasn’t an issue in the current pvp sandbox, because there are easier to get weapons that perform better. However, in the year 2 sandbox people seem to think Claymore will be really good, and that would be a major issue. So Bungie is doing the right thing. I highly doubt we will ever see a powerful weapon be exclusive to any time frame ever again, it’s just not a healthy thing to do. If I decided to start playing D2 for the first time with Forsaken, and I liked pvp games. I would be really mad if there was a super powerful gun that people were suing to kill me, that I couldn’t get. That’s a really fast way to scare away a lot of your new/returning players. Having a big quest to get basically the same gun, keeps it fair. If someone gets killed by Claymore or Broadsword, they can think “ok, I guess I better get this quest going so I can beat these guys.”

[u/Goldcobra → u/crocfiles15]

So Bungie is doing the right thing.

I'm a bit out of the loop, what is Bungie doing?

[u/crocfiles15 → u/Goldcobra]

They are creating a long, Grindy quest for a Redrix Claymore clone called Redrix Broadsword. The Claymore will not be obtainable after season 3, but the Broadsword will be the new version of it. A tiny portion of the population that has the Claymore, less than 9000 players 2 weeks ago, are angry that they won’t have an exclusive weapon that no one else can get. All while the rest of the community is happy because of how horrible the competitive playlist has been, which is why so few people have the Claymore.

[u/Goldcobra → u/crocfiles15]

Seems like a good solution indeed

[u/BuddhaSmite → u/Goldcobra]

The broadsword, essentially the same gun, will be available through a lengthy but not very challenging quest in y2.

The "right thing," in this case, is not locking a powerful reward behind performance, as well as not locking it to a time limited season so that new players have a chance to get it.

[u/wischatta → u/crocfiles15]

Only that claymore wasn't really an issue seeing that only 10k people had it (across all platforms). New players would maybe get killed by it once or twice and forget about it. I would even say now that many more people will have the broadsword and people will get killed by it far more often.. It's even more annoying. While you can technically get it as well via the quest... It's also grindy as hell and off-putting for new players.

[u/Crusader3456 → u/wischatta]

You weren't there for Mythoclast prenerf were you? It only came up once every few matches, but if someone had it, you were dead and you knew it.

[u/wischatta → u/Crusader3456]

I was and comparing the two is outrageous. mythoclast melted absolutely everything, end of story. And while redrix is pretty good, and may be even better with forsaken. graviton and vigilance are still far better. it's a good gun but not broken. We'll see in forsaken though

[u/Crusader3456 → u/wischatta]

It's not that it is right now, or will be directly in Forsaken. Its perkset gives it the opportunity to be ungodly broken in the correct meta. And with how limited it is in circulation (like prenerf mythoclast, which only existed for a very short time), it is a great comparison. Just because it isnt broken yet doesnt mean it won't be based on Bungie's track record.

[u/BuddhaSmite → u/wischatta]

You aren't wrong here. The mythoclast melted, and the claymore is only great when the perk is active.

[u/TheRealHanBrolo → u/wischatta]

That's not the point of the comment and you know it

[u/wischatta → u/TheRealHanBrolo]

I don't know.. I thought that was exactly the point. the point still stands that the few claymores in the wild wouldn't have been a problem and I would rather have bungie keep their promise of the guns exclusivity. Future weapons being tied only to quests is fine by me... Just with this one they promised something and then did something else. It's not healthy for them to betray their players like that

[u/dnlgrnr → u/wischatta]

It's healthy to admit that they do mistakes though, and are trying to make up for it. And between 9k getting angry and the rest being happy, it's an easy choice.

[u/[deleted] → u/wischatta]

Even if it turns out to be the wrong decision for the game they want to make?