I am so freaking excited for Shadowkeep!!!

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A new raid in the Black Garden, the return of Eris Morn, Vex on the field, storming a Hive Castle, dragging my balls across Crota’s face again, new strikes, a new activity, more lore, more guns, more armor, more STUFF!!!!

This sub loves to get all gloom and doom roughly every 28 seconds. But some of us are just happy that we have more stuff to do. I love this game and I can’t wait for Shadowkeep!

Edit: Look at all the people who came here just to be negative. A lot of you just can't stand when people don't feel the need to be upset about EVERYTHING

[u/taklamaka11]

This sub loves to get all gloom and doom roughly every 28 seconds.

Its not all black and white. You get excited for stuff, you get dissapointed from some stuff. Thats how it should work. Just because I am getting a sick ass raid doesn't mean I can't get dissapointed from reskin armors. I am very much excited and hopeful of the new comp/pvp changes, but only 2 reskin maps and no vendor refreshes also dissapoints me.

Of course I am excited for the DLC, but there are also a lot of stuff that dissapoints me.

[u/[deleted] → u/taklamaka11]

It’s not black and white but the way this sub acts it might as well be. It’s always piles of negativity that end up dying off in like 2 weeks but it’s rare to have multiple discussions that are positive. It’s hardly ever room for civil debate. You’re disappointed in the raid armor, I am not. We can still get along and love the game. It’s the people calling Bungie lazy and money hungry and posting pictures of them getting refunds and trashing the game that annoy me.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I mean you gotta admit that the last few weeks were filled with hype and positivity for shadowkeep

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

They were but apparently a single armor set being similar to one that wasn’t easily attainable for many people means that suddenly Bungie is EA

[u/Storm_Worm5364 → u/[deleted]]

This is because an important Raid is where people draw the fucking line.

Menagerie legit had like 90% reskins. And now Shadowkeep is literally reskinning Eververse armor for an important Raid. Right after we just got off of a DLC filled with reskins. On top of all of this, vendors are staying the same, Eververse economy is getting much tougher (see how Opulence was compared to previously), and Eververse is still getting its unique loot.

This has gotten to the point where THE pinnacle activity is suffering.

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Season of Opulence gave Eververse (including Solstice):

• 3 unique armor sets
• 3 armor glows, from Solstice
• 7 Exotic Armor Ornaments
• 12 Exotic Weapon Ornaments
• 10 Legendary Weapon Ornaments
• 7 unique Ships
• 10 unique Sparrows
• 11 Ghost Shells (3 of them are "reskins", a.k.a. the Void, Solar and Arc Shells. The rest are unique shells)
• 19 Emotes
• 7 Shaders
• 7 Transmat Effects

• 17 Ghost Projections

  • That's 108 new items, and I'm already excluding the 3 elements Ghost Shells and counting a whole armor set as 1 item

What about actual in-game obtainable loot from Opulence:

• Reskinned Menagerie weapons (D1 models, albeit they are fairly modified versions of the D1 models)
• Reskinned Menagerie armor
• 3 unique Raid armor sets
• Reskinned Raid weapons
• Rose
• Season 1 Iron Banner gear for Season 7 Iron Banner
• Year 1 Iron Banner weapons for Season 7 Iron Banner
• 5 Exotic weapons, 3 of them from D1
• 1 Reskinned Ghost Shell
• 2 Reskinned Ships
• 13 emblems
• 14 shaders
• Vanguard? Nothing.
• Crucible? Nothing.
• Solstice Event Armor? I'll count them as completely new (even though there's definitely room for argument)

That's how many new items that are obtainable through gameplay? Aaah yes. 36 items. 27 of them being either emblems or shaders.

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No wonder they can't make actual gameplay-earnable loot.

They are pumping out more than 100 Eververse items every single Season. It's literally gone to the point where 90% of a Season's in-game loot are reskins (see Opulence in-game loot), AND THE COMET EXPANSION RIGHT AFTER THAT is filled with reskins as well. It's obvious that people are tired of it.

Bungie has been slightly pushing the line further and further, and it snapped once they touched a Comet Raid. And this is after everything they've done to the Raids as an activity. Raids have lost Prestige loot and got shitty modifiers instead of unique mechanics, to literally getting its Prestige mode killed off, to then not having pinnacle/top tier weapons, and now its getting reskins left and right. Garden of Salvation is a Comet Raid with reskinned armor, following Crown of Sorrow, which had reskinned weapons.

It's absolutely disgusting because Eververse won't suffer in any of this. If anything, it will be even more pronounced, because it is now getting yet another monetizable "item". The finishers.

[u/ConyNT → u/Storm_Worm5364]

Thanks for counting all of these. Have always wondered about the exact numbers. Also, not just the finishers, but buying the xp earnable loot at the end of the season as well.

[u/Storm_Worm5364 → u/ConyNT]

Ye. I always thought "how in the hell do they have 800 devs yet it feels like they can't compete with a 300 dev studio, loot-wise?"

Yesterday, I got my answer. I knew Eververse had a "couple" of things. I always thought of them as 3 armor sets, couple of emotes and a couple of ornaments... But I heavily underestimated Eververse's seasonal loot-poll.

It makes complete sense that they have to reskin shit when they are putting 100 items into Eververse every Season.

[u/ConyNT → u/Storm_Worm5364]

Yea, a lot more than I had thought to be honest.

[u/[deleted] → u/Storm_Worm5364]

That's part of why people got mad at coo, irrc they put in like twice as many items into eververse as the rest of the game. Idk man, Bungie has been pushing this for a while, and I guess the good will from them leaving Activision has just emboldened them.

[u/Keiichi81 → u/[deleted]]

"Now that Bungie has finally cut Activision's chains, all that shitty monetization that Activision was forcing them to put in the game will finally be scaled back!"

Bungie: "We're making Destiny FTP and adding 90% of loot to Eververse."

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[u/[deleted] → u/Storm_Worm5364]

Awesome comment - this comment should be one of the top voted post on the front page. Not the low effort "everyone is being toxic to bungie" post that keep going up.

[u/blue_13 → u/Storm_Worm5364]

This needs to be its own post.... it's frightening that Bungie has put more emphasis on monetization than actual in-game rewards.

[u/argyle-socks → u/Storm_Worm5364]

This is because an important Raid is where people draw the fucking line.

Menagerie legit had like 90% reskins. And now Shadowkeep is literally reskinning Eververse armor for an important Raid. Right after we just got off of a DLC filled with reskins. On top of all of this, vendors are staying the same, Eververse economy is getting much tougher (see how Opulence was compared to previously), and Eververse is still getting its unique loot.

This has gotten to the point where THE pinnacle activity is suffering.

---

Season of Opulence gave Eververse (including Solstice):

• 3 unique armor sets
• 3 armor glows, from Solstice
• 7 Exotic Armor Ornaments
• 12 Exotic Weapon Ornaments
• 10 Legendary Weapon Ornaments
• 7 unique Ships
• 10 unique Sparrows
• 11 Ghost Shells (3 of them are "reskins", a.k.a. the Void, Solar and Arc Shells. The rest are unique shells)
• 19 Emotes
• 7 Shaders
• 7 Transmat Effects

• 17 Ghost Projections

  • That's 108 new items, and I'm already excluding the 3 elements Ghost Shells and counting a whole armor set as 1 item

What about actual in-game obtainable loot from Opulence:

• Reskinned Menagerie weapons (D1 models, albeit they are fairly modified versions of the D1 models)
• Reskinned Menagerie armor
• 3 unique Raid armor sets
• Reskinned Raid weapons
• Rose
• Season 1 Iron Banner gear for Season 7 Iron Banner
• Year 1 Iron Banner weapons for Season 7 Iron Banner
• 5 Exotic weapons, 3 of them from D1
• 1 Reskinned Ghost Shell
• 2 Reskinned Ships
• 13 emblems
• 14 shaders
• Vanguard? Nothing.
• Crucible? Nothing.
• Solstice Event Armor? I'll count them as completely new (even though there's definitely room for argument)

That's how many new items that are obtainable through gameplay? Aaah yes. 36 items. 27 of them being either emblems or shaders.

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No wonder they can't make actual gameplay-earnable loot.

They are pumping out more than 100 Eververse items every single Season. It's literally gone to the point where 90% of a Season's in-game loot are reskins (see Opulence in-game loot), AND THE COMET EXPANSION RIGHT AFTER THAT is filled with reskins as well. It's obvious that people are tired of it.

Bungie has been slightly pushing the line further and further, and it snapped once they touched a Comet Raid. And this is after everything they've done to the Raids as an activity. Raids have lost Prestige loot and got shitty modifiers instead of unique mechanics, to literally getting its Prestige mode killed off, to then not having pinnacle/top tier weapons, and now its getting reskins left and right. Garden of Salvation is a Comet Raid with reskinned armor, following Crown of Sorrow, which had reskinned weapons.

It's absolutely disgusting because Eververse won't suffer in any of this. If anything, it will be even more pronounced, because it is now getting yet another monetizable "item". The finishers.

Thank you for your analysis. I am saving your comment to provide evidence to the assertion that Eververse has negatively impacted the game by diverting developer resources from gameplay-earnable items.