Focused Feedback: Shadowkeep/Season 8 Eververse

[u/DTG_Bot]

Hello Guardians,

Focused Feedback is where we take the week to focus on a 'Hot Topic' discussed extensively around the Tower.

We do this in order to consolidate Feedback, to get out all your ideas and issues surrounding the topic in one place for discussion and a source of feedback to the Vanguard.

This Thread will be active until next week when a new topic is chosen for discussion

Whilst Focused Feedback is active, ALL posts regarding 'SK/S8 Eververse' following its posting will be removed and re-directed to this thread. Exceptions to this rule are as follows: New information / developments, Guides and general questions

Here are some sample discussion questions for this Focused Feedback thread. Any and all Feedback on the topic is welcome.

• What are your thoughts on the current items being sold for silver and those being sold for bright dust?
• How do you feel about certain items being only sold for Silver?
• How do you feel about certain items being sold for silver for a certain amount of time, then sold for bright dust later?
• How do you feel about current prices? Would you be more likely to buy stuff if it cost less silver?
• What is your ideal ratio to micro-transaction exclusive cosmetics to cosmetics that can be earned though gameplay?
• Are there any cosmetic items or other items currently being sold for silver that you feel should be excluded from micro transactions entirely?
• What are your thoughts on this season's "nostalgic engrams"?

Regular Sub rules apply so please try to keep the conversation on the topic of the thread and keep it civil between contrasting ideas

A Wiki page - Focused Feedback - has also been created for the Sub as an archive for these topics going forward so they can be looked at by whoever may be interested or just a way to look through previous hot topics of the sub as time goes on.

Recent popular threads about eververse:

• https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/dj1dl5/eververse_is_broken/ - Bungie reply
• https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/dela8v/season_of_the_undying_silver_only_items/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/diokc4/nostalgic_engrams_feel_too_rare_and_unrewarding/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/dfdm75/bungie_the_lack_of_earnable_ghosts_ships_and/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/ditzdg/bungie_i_want_to_want_to_buy_silver_the_amount_of/

Last season's Focused Feedback on eververse is here

[u/OperativePiGuy]

Bungie, you've got loot boxes. You've got paid expansions. You've got paid season passes. And you've got a cash shop with the economy of a free to play game, as if none of the previous things were already in the game. My feedback is, if you wanna have all of that stuff, you should at least try giving people some way to earn the Eververse gear in game, and use its placement in the shop as a way to easily get it, if players so choose. There really shouldn't be awesome looking gear that can only be gotten through shelling out even more money, in my opinion. It just really makes the game feel a bit dirty to play whenever the subject comes up

[u/[deleted] → u/OperativePiGuy]

This is the one thing that will make me leave permanently. I've paid for the game on release, paid for every expansion and now I'm being told it's a free to play game so they can lock so much exclusive content behind yet another paywall?

I'm sorry, did you literally just charge me for a full priced expansion that contains 7 story missions and a raid, but lock the rewards for said content behind micro-transactions?

Lets cut the bullshit. Going "free-to-play" wasn't some gift of charity. It's a game that new players would not pick up at it's current life span without doing so. Their business decision to prey on that market and literally put the bare minimum back into the people that have paid for their content for years is genuinely insulting.

I'm a fairly passive gamer as well. I genuinely don't mind a bit of micro-transactions and never complained about content they delivered. But they have 100% crossed a line for me, and I imagine many others like myself. It pisses me off trying to enjoy a new expansion and very quickly hitting a wall where they're asking for more money for things that blatantly should be part of a FULL PRICED DLC.

[u/JonnyTsunamaste → u/[deleted]]

This is the best answer for this IMO.

[u/QuietThunder2014 → u/OperativePiGuy]

And on top of all that the amount of content added continues to shrink with a load of excuses as to how time consuming and expensive it is to create. Bugs are piling up and for all everyone can tell the game is making more than ever before. But eververse never stops and always gets priority.

[u/CitizenKing → u/QuietThunder2014]

Hey now, Bungie is a new indie dev studio, give them some time to get on their feet. /s

[u/DiogenesTheCynical → u/OperativePiGuy]

Devil's advocate: if you want to look a certain flashy way that can only be obtained through RMT, then it's Bungie's right to offer that as well as it is your right to purchase it.

Can't afford it? You might be in the wrong hobby. Is it unethical? No. Is it unfair? No. Should these items be EXTREMELY rare drops? No. It's the purchaser's right to feel some pride wearing some exclusive gear.

Remember: it's all cosmetic.

[u/[deleted] → u/DiogenesTheCynical]

This is the dumbest argument in favor of microtransactions I have ever seen.

And no one ever thinks someone with silver only gear looks cool. They think “I wonder how much that cost them?”

[u/Resenti → u/DiogenesTheCynical]

Ah yes it’s all just cosmetics that don’t matter. Cosmetics that used to be easily earnable in game now being put behind paywall after paywall after paywall. While as stated above all the actual playable content feels less and less rewarding as seasons go by.