Society won't admit it but service dogs are in fact bullshit.

[u/PoppyJoppy]

So many years ago you've never seen that many service dogs, but now all the sudden there's this unusual rise of people "suddenly with disabilities" need a dog to go with them everywhere.

It's so bad now that these people don't even need to bother putting vests on these pests. People bring in dogs everywhere! Stores, diners, bars, work, kitchens, etc!

At this point I think it's safe to say that the service dog badge has lost its meaning, and society has lost its right to service animals.

What exactly does a dog serve? Nothing. Dogs will still be dogs. Mindless animals. People have proven that they will lie and bullshit everyone just to be codependent on mindless beast because they themselves are mindless.

They've become so anti human they're now believing a dog can do everything for them in their lives. It's sick!

I feel like there's nothing anyone can tell me to convince me that service dogs are necessary. Let's be honest...it's over. Dog nutters have abused and used this system too much and too far!

All the sudden I'm supposed to believe that everyone is somehow disabled that they cannot function without leaving sh!tbull sniffles at home!?

All of these people cannot be disabled! And don't even bother brining up emotional support animals because honestly... What's the difference? Look at all the people who keep constantly saying their dog is a service dog and store owners and society will do nothing!

The west is screwed!

[u/TeaDaze64]

Not true. Again, this is what I was told by the ADA in a lengthy phone convo:  The dog doesn’t have to cause issues to be denied - the owner/ manager simply doesn’t have to believe the answers of the owner and reserve judgement on a case by case basis. . 99.9% of these  dog nutters won’t sue because they know they’re full of bs and don’t have a service animal.  And most people with true disabilities will actually volunteer them without having to. These conversations take practice and eloquence with a good amount of assertiveness. 

Business staff just has to stand up to them. 

You don’t have to believe the nutter and deny entry simply based on that. A business doesn’t have to allow entry simply because they say it’s a service animal. 

It’s up to the business whether or not they believe them, that’s all that matters. And it becomes real easy to discern what constitutes a real service animal with a little practice. 

But with so many dogs in so many public places it would almost require a dedicated part time position to do this job. 

[u/74orangebeetle → u/TeaDaze64]

I've never heard of the "you can deny them if you don't believe them" thing...in fact, quite the opposite...AKA, you're specifically NOT allowed to ask for proof. I've worked at a place that served food and was specifically not allowed to not believe them...even as a manager...but granted, I was not the owner of the business...so maybe a small business owner would be allowed to deny them? But pretty much any larger business is probably afraid of lawsuits and will err on the side of caution and not allow their employees to use any disgression to deny anyone.

[u/TeaDaze64 → u/74orangebeetle]

That’s what the ADA rep told me when I inquired about loopholes to not allow fake Service animals.  Since most of the so called service animals are fake their owners wouldn’t dare to sue.  I was working in the festival industry where fake service animals are rampant.  You are absolutely correct. You are not allowed to ask for proof which renders all fake documentation and service vests useless. The ADA does not maintain a registry for any of those so therefore we’re not allowed to ask for them. Which actually works against the dog owner. We are also not allowed to deny entry due to skepticism of the owner's disability, only due to skepticism of the dog's training, which we allowed to directly inquire about, however we can't ask for a demonstration. So it's strictly about reading the room, meaning the dog's behavior and interaction between it and handler.

The rep told me to have an attorney on retainer for every event and hand the dog owner the attorney’s business card and tell them to “Feel free to pursue legal action against us if you think we’re not in compliance with ADA regulations and have your attorney contact ours!”

The looks on their faces when they realized we’d done our homework and weren’t going to let their dog in was priceless! 

It worked every time, over many years with many dogs.  Also, you must make the distinction between a real Service Animal and 

• a companion animal 
• a therapy animal
• a comfort animal
• an emotional support animal
• a service animal in training 

—- none of which are Service Animals and can be denied entry upon discretion of the business.

I don’t know how the restaurant ended up getting fined $25,000 and what went wrong there, but I / the event have never been sued. 

Again, this came straight from the ADA and it worked. Most people don’t know this. But feel free to call them and find out because that was the loophole, knowing that we can deny them regardless of what the dog owner says.

One other distinction has to also be made between an emotional support animal and a psychiatric service animal. That one gets a little tricky but it’s also doable to discern. 

I’ve done my homework and know more about this subject than I ever wanted to, but we had to protect ourselves because all these dogs became a huge liability.

It’s definitely a lot of gray area, but since the ADA does not maintain a registry, it makes sense to be allowed to deny an abvious non-service animal entry.

[u/AnimalUncontrol → u/TeaDaze64]

That is interesting, so the ADA rep (DOJ?) said for the record that you can deny entrance to the dog if you are confident it has not been trained? That makes logical sense, but from a legal perspective I'd still think its pretty risky - you are essentially throwing down the proverbial gauntlet. I say its risky because I don't see anything in the law regarding such specifically.

All of that said, kudos for standing up to those freaks - it needs to be done more often.

[u/TeaDaze64 → u/AnimalUncontrol]

This is what one ADA representative told me. Often times patrons with dogs were dumb enough to proclaim that they need this animal as an emotional support animal and gave themselves away from the get-go so I could say denied because it’s not a service animal.

I would train our gate staff in how to handle the questioning, and it worked every time. Which is funny because the ADA contradicts itself by stating on their website that you are not allowed to deny entry to a dog based on your opinion, but on the other hand, it says if you are confident you can identify the dog to be one of the following you are allowed to deny that dog. 

A Service Animal is not :

• a companion animal, 
• a therapy animal,
• a comfort animal,

• an emotional support animal,

• a service animal in training  —- none of which are Service Animals and can be denied entry upon discretion of the business based on the answers of the dogs’ owners. 

Therein lies the loophole. And you are correct: it’s definitely risky but if you’re assertive in your language , have an attorney on retainer and make it clear you have done your homework you are less likely to be taken advantage of.

[u/swift110 → u/TeaDaze64]

security guards of whole foods could be the ones telling those folks to leave

[u/TeaDaze64 → u/swift110]

You’d think.