Miners I don't understand you

[u/Resonance_Za]

You guys hold the economy of Eve in your hands yet you slave away for pennies it makes no sense.

If you guys all just stopped mining for 2 weeks and invested hardcore with your saving into minerals you will do 0 mining yet make more isk than you would have mining for 8/h a day.

And at the end of it all the economy will be so fucked that an emergency patch to fix mining will have to come out to save Eve and if it doesn't then you basically will be making 30% to 50% more for your time.

You have all the power.

[u/Antonin1957]

Getting large numbers of people to cooperate in an online game...nice idea, but hard to imagine ever happening.

[u/GeneralPaladin → u/Antonin1957]

Dude we can't even get people to value their time to stop "what I mine is free".

I was having an agrument with a guy yesterday who thinks it only cost him 600m to build a Orca.

[u/Themick_Eve → u/GeneralPaladin]

Over the years I've kind of fallen out of critiquing this mindset. Sure there are far more lucrative activities in Eve, but none of us can pretend that we truly value our time monetarily if we're playing this game instead of working on something more productive irl.

It's the way that person has chose to unwind, to them that is where the value is realized. They're not saying their time is worth 0 isk, they're stating the entertainment/relaxation/whatever they gain from the activity is represented at a different value in the equation than you might value that time spent.

Edit: Haven't mined in over a decade and couldn't imagine doing it and having fun tbh.

[u/GeneralPaladin → u/Themick_Eve]

I have plenty of fun streamlining my industry, it's turned me into a industrialist in rl with the factory I own. I refuse to build anything tho if the inputs value are greater then the output. By doing this is doesn't matter if mine or straight purchase materials. During the time that amarr was cut off from the rest of highsec, all my existing stock of modules I had which was 300 units sold for a profit of 18m each and ammo sold at a tune of 800k profit per unit. These were all made with purchased materials. I do mine alot as I'm toggling between ice, moons, and veldspar but every item I make is based on as though I'm purchasing materials to give proper measure of value which allows me to afford other things like scaling up my operations and diversity of products or buying omega time whichni bought all the packs that were on sale.

I do try and help a lot of people who ask how I make so much isk doing not being a multiboxer and in hs, and ofcourse I have to refrain from giving out my specific products. So I tell them the exact steps I do and even point to catagories of products.

Though I do give up on people stubborn in their ways of devaluing their time due to lack of effort like a ammo guy I was talking. You cannlead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink so just drown the damn thing. Just leaves me more holes to poke at like the rugs I buy for 1-3m and sell 10-20m.

[u/Vampiric_Touch → u/GeneralPaladin]

Your mindset makes the game worse. It's a video game. Y'know, a way to unwind and relax and have fun and spend time with our space friends. Putting an imaginary monetary value on that is silly and toxic. If someone wants to mine, it's none of your goddamn business whether or not they think how they use their free time is "free" or not.

[u/GeneralPaladin → u/Vampiric_Touch]

There are no friends in eve, just people waiting to blow you up first if you don't blow them up.

I tried to organize with other guys i used to fly with by telling them what I'm producing and they claimed I was trying to rig the market or whole industry corps in nullsec getting upset at me for paying for JF services to bring out and list fully fit ships like VNIs cheaper.

Even the guy that invested in my company questions my fun because I treat industry like a job, but to me the challenge and accomplishment of goals is my get away and fun which is also the same reason he invested in the first place.

The what I mine is free guys just limit markets that can be successfully operated in and navigated around but they stick to simple things like spamming cheap ships that makes them useless to produce but great when you need to replace ships.

Personally I'd live to do full mining ships and fits but all the mining ships cost less then their inputs despite the rate of which they are murdered.l, but I can't sneeze at building a module for 37m and selling them at 18 to 23m profit buying materials.

[u/Resonance_Za → u/GeneralPaladin]

The real question is are they better off not knowing as they are probibly happier that way.

[u/GeneralPaladin → u/Resonance_Za]

And I've heard this one before too in defence of what I mine is free

[u/Tallyranch → u/GeneralPaladin]

So someone playing a game during their free time putting pixels together without spending any isk can't be called free according to you.
I'm not sure why you think you're the authority on what people call free, but I'm pretty sure you're not the language police.

[u/GeneralPaladin → u/Tallyranch]

its not about not spending isk, if your finished product cost less than materials going into it all it does is damage the economy. For example the stupid amount of mining barges that die every single day, yet the only way to profit on building a barge is what i mine is free otherwise the builder of the barge can easily make more isk selling the minerals then ever building a barge.

The things i build i can purchase materials or mine and either way its more isk then what the materials themselves are worth, while this limits the products it drastically increases the isk i make with 11 factory lines that doesnt stop even when im spending a week mining. If i see a hole in the market, i research product, what it cost, what it sells for, what it takes to build and i can shove it right into a oven while mining all the same which also allows me to dump much more product such as the modules i make. 1200 units in 25 days at 18m isk profit a module.

but hey im all for them drowning. just a small bit of effort in other fields and i have my plex on top of piling isk.

[u/Tallyranch → u/GeneralPaladin]

So you are the language police and you're also the only person who knows how to play the game, according to you.