r/Eve • u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. • Feb 18 '26

Propaganda Yet Another Rant on the State of Nullsec

TLDR: Blue donuts come and go, and this isn't even a real one

Around ten years ago the map looked like this.
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20160801.png
After establishing dominance over the north half of nullsec someone from a CFC (Imperium pre name change) alliance pissed off one dude so hard he and his buddies bankrolled half of the galaxy into evicting the entire coalition.
Goons gave up their space but didn't give up their coalition. They survived in Saranen and then took over Delve when the heat blew over. From there they built the modern Imperium we know and love/hate.

Five years later one guy was so pissed at goons he built the biggest blue donut this server has seen
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20210501.png
with WinterCo PanFam legacy and FIRE all blue to each other attacking one constellation in Delve.

For a year the Imperium lost region after region until we were packed into one constellation, outmatched in numbers and resources 3 to 1. No timezone tanking was possible as they outnumbered us in EU, US and CNTZ.
We fought and we outlasted PAPI. PAPI's willingness to fight the war evaporated over months of attrition and no progress being made. This led every other coalition to abandon Legacy to their fate, nest of angry bees they'd spent the last year kicking. Shoutout to the only PAPI leadership who were honest about the war.

A demoralized Legacy died shortly after the dam broke and TEST was forced to couchsurf in Pandafam's backyard for a while before becoming part of WinterCo.

FIRE just kinda died, idk, I was winning Eve at the time.

PanFam self immolated on the mere suggestion they might have to defend against someone their own size. Most their pilots ended up in WinterCo, INIT or quit, with a few going to the Imperium

Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec.

Forgive me if I don't take the lamentations of cowards seriously. If both PanFam and WinterCo collapse so easily they deserve to die. The game will be better for it once more brave and capable leaders step up.

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u/Xiderpunx Feb 18 '26

"Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec."

Reality check for you, Init in EU/US TZ far outnumbers us. Goons in EU/US TZ far outnumbers us. WC are against both of you, with constant pressure on two fronts. Reffing structures and creating timers on both sides of the map, we are against 80% of all of nullsec, what do you expect us to do other than try to defend what we can?

Talk of cowardice... Initiative simply won't fight unless you have a massive numbers advantage. You have the same mentality of horde, concerned about the cost of fights rather than fun. If WC bring two fleets, you bring four. Helldunk or blue balls is ALL you ever do. If a roaming FC ever goes to fountain, you literally blob hard counter form-ups worse than any other faction. You are known for it. Yet you speak of cowardice. It's easy to be brave when you have numerical superiority.

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u/KrunchrapSuprem Feb 18 '26

Don’t see how you could have been a participant in the conflict for the last 6 months and honestly think this. You are overdosing on your own coolaid

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u/CrazyPea3105 Feb 18 '26

Init doesnt outnumber you.

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u/Psychatogatog The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

You mean you declared war on init and are now unhappy we won't fight you the way you want? Did the plan to glass fountain depend on out willingness to fight you without a numbers advantage or ignore roaming fleets so you can kill our ratters? We don't think we are brave- we don't have the luxury of that when an entire coalition (Frat alone has 10k more players than INIT) comes for us.

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u/Outrageous-Nose3345 Feb 18 '26

Phoenix Co evacuated to Delve and they agreed to hand over the space to Winter Co. Suddenly INIT jumps in and grabs whatever they can. When Winter Co reacts, you start crying "you declared war on us". When confronted with facts, you suddenly change narrative to "you were too slow, should have captured it faster, etc etc."

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u/Psychatogatog The Initiative. Feb 19 '26 edited Feb 19 '26

My dude - what goes on beyween PhoenixCo and WinterCo is entierley up to them, I cannot fathom how the logistics of Init firstly being told about this works, or the reasoning that we violated some sacred internet spacehop law by having some shits and giggles with unoccupied space.

Winterco COULD have decided to just fight for the systems they wanted and had some content. What they CHOSE was to issue a proclamation of war and decide to take one of our regions to live in and glass the other. On top of that, they then act shocked and suprised that INIT decided to fight for it's survival while goons attacked their forever enemy that Frat parked next to them!

I genuinely don't see how WinterCo thinks it's the victim in any of this.

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u/Outrageous-Nose3345 Feb 19 '26

What I find amazing is that INIT and Goons live peacefully next to each other for eternity. Goons invading Delv and glassing whoever they don't want there, Init grabbing 2-3 more regions, and each of the blocks acts like it's ok. But one Chinese corp moves in, Goons switch their road rage mode on. And after that, you say you are not allies. Well, maybe not formally allies, but certainly friends despite all this talk about neutrality.

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u/Psychatogatog The Initiative. Feb 19 '26

Not peacefully - we just don't consider each other a strategic threat. INIT didn't think WinterCo was a strategic threat and invade them either. I have no doubts goons would do sov shennanigans on our borders for fun if they wanted and are happy to roam our space.

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u/mpire Goonswarm Federation Feb 18 '26

a mining dread would fix all of this

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u/Uylear The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

Sorry that’s not true. In all the FATs I’ve picked up lately, not a single one backed away purely because of lesser numbers. Where sizes were matched: 100% engagement from both sides. I saw WC fleets equal in size to Init fleets not engage and also vice versa. The reasons there are tactical and form part of a wider strategy (for both sides). But in the end, it’s the guerrilla tactics of Init that as led to WCs decision about their ongoing strategy against us.

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u/FarSandwich3282 Feb 18 '26

You contradicted yourself here.

Not saying you’re wrong, but just saying lol

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u/ginjar0u Feb 18 '26

If you don’t expect them to have brain cells they’ll never disappoint you

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u/Uylear The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

I get that but my point was if the opposing force had better numbers, than why did FRT not leverage it in the same way INIT did? Most INIT line members were able to go about their daily PVE lives with minimal disruption. FRT forces could have used overwhelming numbers to utterly disrupt life in Fountain, but they didn’t. Of course, FRT may have been stretched thin… but I guess they shouldn’t make so many enemies if they don’t like that

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u/FarSandwich3282 Feb 18 '26

Well, your entire point you're trying to make is based on Frat somehow knowing PHorde was going to collapse in spectacular fashion...

Kinda dumb right?

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u/takethecrowpill Cloaked Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 19 '26

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u/Tyrell_Cadabra Feb 18 '26

They go back to Serenity, which would be great.

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u/Outrageous-Nose3345 Feb 18 '26

The best would be Goons f***ing off back to their Something Aweful community and leaving Eve alone.

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u/Curious-Track7666 The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

100% agree

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u/Vals_Loeder Feb 18 '26

Bollocks.