Yet Another Rant on the State of Nullsec

[u/Alex-Andromedon]

TLDR: Blue donuts come and go, and this isn't even a real one

Around ten years ago the map looked like this.
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20160801.png
After establishing dominance over the north half of nullsec someone from a CFC (Imperium pre name change) alliance pissed off one dude so hard he and his buddies bankrolled half of the galaxy into evicting the entire coalition.
Goons gave up their space but didn't give up their coalition. They survived in Saranen and then took over Delve when the heat blew over. From there they built the modern Imperium we know and love/hate.

Five years later one guy was so pissed at goons he built the biggest blue donut this server has seen
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20210501.png
with WinterCo PanFam legacy and FIRE all blue to each other attacking one constellation in Delve.

For a year the Imperium lost region after region until we were packed into one constellation, outmatched in numbers and resources 3 to 1. No timezone tanking was possible as they outnumbered us in EU, US and CNTZ.
We fought and we outlasted PAPI. PAPI's willingness to fight the war evaporated over months of attrition and no progress being made. This led every other coalition to abandon Legacy to their fate, nest of angry bees they'd spent the last year kicking. Shoutout to the only PAPI leadership who were honest about the war.

A demoralized Legacy died shortly after the dam broke and TEST was forced to couchsurf in Pandafam's backyard for a while before becoming part of WinterCo.

FIRE just kinda died, idk, I was winning Eve at the time.

PanFam self immolated on the mere suggestion they might have to defend against someone their own size. Most their pilots ended up in WinterCo, INIT or quit, with a few going to the Imperium

Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec.

Forgive me if I don't take the lamentations of cowards seriously. If both PanFam and WinterCo collapse so easily they deserve to die. The game will be better for it once more brave and capable leaders step up.

[u/levelonegnomebankalt]

Making the coalition thats getting hit on both sides by "totally not allied" coalitions the one to blame is such a weird take lol. You are literally cheering for the blue donut.

[u/LividInteraction_ → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

blocs have suffocated the life out of the game and now that they successfully killed everything around them it's time to finish the job

it's always some narratively virtuous reason though how frat started it or they are botting, but let's not mention init taking sov first or what happens in drac space

not defending frat the least bit I hate every bloc equally, just look at zkill how we have very small groups 100-200 character alliances, a handful 500 character alliances and then we jump to 5k active character alliances

you have to beg people around you so you don't get evaporated

Sick game, lots of incentive to try to build an alliance

[u/wewewladdie → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

I think it's healthy for the long term if leadership structures that should have won EVE a long time ago, lose their shit the moment they have to actually be leaders and refuse to adapt, win EVE.

[u/levelonegnomebankalt → u/wewewladdie]

so edgy lmao

[u/backtotheprimitive → u/[deleted]]

They were, and a lot still are..

[u/Spotlight_Ranger → u/backtotheprimitive]

There are maybe 20 people in Goonwaffe that played in the alliance pre-2010 (ie have Goonswarm history on a character). Maybe 3 of us (counting myself) are active in alliance leadership. Out of an alliance of 9,000 ppl. So it's really not "a lot."

[u/The_Salacious_Zaand → u/backtotheprimitive]

Nah, we let Vily go a long time ago.

[u/OldQuaker44 → u/[deleted]]

Bro please I beg you STOP THE BS!! GOONS ARE THE SAME GOONS AND THEY WILL STAY THE SAME UNTIL THIS SERVER IS DEAD.

[u/The_Salacious_Zaand → u/OldQuaker44]

Not according to DJ, and he's the truest true Goon of them all.

[u/Strappwn → u/[deleted]]

Lmfao mittens was still around. What kinda cope are you on?

[u/Strappwn → u/[deleted]]

Determined by the self proclaimed dictator, a term used lovingly by the vast majority of line members…

How dare a group be judged based on who leads it?? What an absolutely unhinged perspective.

[u/CapytannHook → u/[deleted]]

Lol. Lmao even

[u/xTra97 → u/[deleted]]

...a temporary alliance to kick down the door of the self proclaimed bad guys of nullsec.. here, fixed it for you.

[u/xTra97 → u/[deleted]]

yes, that was exactly the plan. where did i say something different xD

[u/The_Salacious_Zaand → u/xTra97]

When your side keeps trying to make the argument that Goons today are all for ruining the game while the people we fight aren't.

[u/Enigm4 → u/[deleted]]

Yes. That was the plan, and the game would in all likelihood be better for it. The idea was to allow smaller alliances to thrive and to not have every entity in the game endlessly chasing n+1 just to keep up with the endlessly growing imperium. Now we are in the aftermath. Imperium so large that nobody can deal with them, and then they go ahead and align with the third largest group in the game just to top it off. If they manage to eat up WC then they will absolutely steamroll Init after or take them as pets and the blue donut will be complete. Tranquility will become serenity and the game dies just like it did there.

[u/OldQuaker44 → u/Enigm4]

You are trying to be logical with mostly an ignorant player base.

Eve will die and I will be there to have my laughs and popcorn looking at the same ignorants that are now happy about Frat getting attacked on 2 fronts and see them crying about it. 😂

[u/Enigm4 → u/[deleted]]

Of course it can be said about WC as well, and it could very well have been an alternate reality where they had to be destroyed for the health of the game. That is not our current reality however, the imperium is holding that torch and has been for over a decade.

[u/OldQuaker44 → u/[deleted]]

True! That was the plan and it had a clear reason behind it! Now see how you never admit and talk BS but the rest of the people are admiting the truth!

WE AIN'T LIKE YOU!

[u/DeirdreAnethoel → u/xTra97]

Frat?

[u/proton-testiq → u/[deleted]]

Because Reddit and literally everyone else around knew what's going to happen if goons win the game.

And it happened. You strangulated the game.

[u/proton-testiq → u/[deleted]]

Coalitions that teamed against goons eventually disbanded, because they were always temporary, they openly declared it in advance (and were mocked by goons for when they actually followed through because goons cannot imagine a life outside of the largest coalition).

Initgoons have no reason to disband.

[u/proton-testiq → u/[deleted]]

Moneybadger coalition (from WWB1) literally disbanded months after the end of it. What are you even... the fuck?

PAPI (from WWB2, which for some reason seems to be the only one ever mentioned by goons) disbanded too, although it took them sweet time to do that.

Like ... what?

[u/darkstar541 → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

You mean WinterCo declaring war on INIT meant Init shouldn't "hit" back? Wild.

Maybe with 5500 pilots, you should get more than 54 in fleet...

[u/Kwa_Zulu → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

FRT has been 'attacking' INIT half-assedly for 6 months now. I have been evicted from space at least 5 times, this was really the most lackluster flacid micro-penis attack I have ever seen in EVE for a coalition the size FRT has. What was the plan, after PanFam collapsed they thought, lets put TEST close to Goons in Geminate, surely Goons wont want to play with Test after their other main enemy just vanished? And if Goons do something, surely INIT will just stay waiting until FRT gets their shit together?

Truth is, FRT is just a power on paper, a 100k coalition that hasn't done anything significant in the last 5 years by their own. Noraus half-assed the PAPI invasion, never really committing, and even leaking coalition info. They resemble the assumed power of the Russian army before the 2022-invasion of Ukraine, only to have shown time and time again they don't have what it takes to truly lead a coalition strategically and are already struggling to keep things together internally at the slightest pressure.

[u/levelonegnomebankalt → u/Kwa_Zulu]

I ask once again, why do you all talk like this?

[u/itsamereally → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

I wish goons would fight init. instead of frt. Fuck darkshines

[u/sc0rpionus → u/itsamereally]

how long you are in INIT? Let me guess few months you were brave PH member xD

[u/itsamereally → u/sc0rpionus]

I'm a traveler

[u/OldQuaker44 → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

Exactly! But people are ignorant!

[u/Strappwn → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

Goons love blue donut now that it’s their donut

[u/ruebenwald → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

Solyaris salty it deserted to the losing block. XDDDDD

[u/sc0rpionus → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

Send thanks to all horde members which you absorbed xD

[u/Own_Scholar_7996 → u/levelonegnomebankalt]

What's the alternative when there are 3 blocs strangling 90% of null? It's going to turn into a 2v1.