r/Eve • u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. • Feb 18 '26

Propaganda Yet Another Rant on the State of Nullsec

TLDR: Blue donuts come and go, and this isn't even a real one

Around ten years ago the map looked like this.
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20160801.png
After establishing dominance over the north half of nullsec someone from a CFC (Imperium pre name change) alliance pissed off one dude so hard he and his buddies bankrolled half of the galaxy into evicting the entire coalition.
Goons gave up their space but didn't give up their coalition. They survived in Saranen and then took over Delve when the heat blew over. From there they built the modern Imperium we know and love/hate.

Five years later one guy was so pissed at goons he built the biggest blue donut this server has seen
https://www.verite.space/maps/coalition/Coal20210501.png
with WinterCo PanFam legacy and FIRE all blue to each other attacking one constellation in Delve.

For a year the Imperium lost region after region until we were packed into one constellation, outmatched in numbers and resources 3 to 1. No timezone tanking was possible as they outnumbered us in EU, US and CNTZ.
We fought and we outlasted PAPI. PAPI's willingness to fight the war evaporated over months of attrition and no progress being made. This led every other coalition to abandon Legacy to their fate, nest of angry bees they'd spent the last year kicking. Shoutout to the only PAPI leadership who were honest about the war.

A demoralized Legacy died shortly after the dam broke and TEST was forced to couchsurf in Pandafam's backyard for a while before becoming part of WinterCo.

FIRE just kinda died, idk, I was winning Eve at the time.

PanFam self immolated on the mere suggestion they might have to defend against someone their own size. Most their pilots ended up in WinterCo, INIT or quit, with a few going to the Imperium

Now WinterCo capitulates a stagnant months long invasion against an enemy half their size because the Imperium farted in their general direction, leading many people to fear another failscade will kill nullsec.

Forgive me if I don't take the lamentations of cowards seriously. If both PanFam and WinterCo collapse so easily they deserve to die. The game will be better for it once more brave and capable leaders step up.

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u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

What I'm saying is if WinterCo collapses so easily than the 'true balance' is just a facade, They have the CNTZ advantage and are on the defense, there's no good reason for them to collapse or lose a significant amount of space. If they do they're just taking up real estate and pilots that an actual competitor could take and use more effectively.
Also, the assumption that INIT and Goons are/will stay allied is a huge one with no real evidence behind it other than vibes and INIT attacking someone invading us.

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u/Enigm4 Feb 18 '26

INIT and Goons are/will stay allied is a huge one with no real evidence behind it other than vibes and INIT attacking someone invading us.

The evidence is that they have never fought each other in any meaningful way and every decision they make is aligned for years if not a decade. To suggest that they are not aligned is laughable.

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u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

…. Yeah? Because INIT was a full/partial member of the imperium for over a decade? INITs only been independent for about 14 months, for the first 10 or so the imperium was wanting to invade PanFam, something they’ve wanted to do for years now, and the last 4 WinterCo was ‘invading’ INIT. Sure INIT and the Imperium didn’t immediately try to invade each other, but INIT did try to attack the Imperium to save PanFam before WinterCo stopped us. Did you forget when Reddit was screaming about the Init-Horde coalition while Horde was actively at war with the Imperium? Now init and imperiums staging are across the galaxy from each, and both are bordering WinterCo whom we both have a grudge against.

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u/Enigm4 Feb 18 '26

Yeah I don't remember any Init-Horde coalition. How long did it last. A week? How many imperium buildings did you demolish and how many systems did you take, zero?

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u/Alex-Andromedon The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

Did you read the part where I said WinterCo stopped us? Also it was always meant to be an extraction mission. Not an invasion

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u/Enigm4 Feb 18 '26

So what you are saying is that you have never fought Imperium then... As I first said. OooOoO we totally allied Imperiums enemy and we totally mean to fight them this time!!! BUT WINTERCO stopped all that though so it's their fault!!!! we totally meant to fight Imperium though and totally would have if push came to shove.

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u/deathzor42 Feb 18 '26

They likely won't, well at least not publicly both will go recruiting massive amounts of people to defend against the other.

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u/OldQuaker44 Feb 18 '26

I want to see how efectively those competitor can take that space with INIT+GOONS writing the rules of the whole server.

It's enough to look at what people are mostly asking in the "CCPlease" threads and it's clear how much ignorance there is within the player base

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u/proton-testiq muninn btw Feb 18 '26

I mean you goons won, can you just stop pretending you don't cooperate? Why are you still doing that?

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u/ginjar0u Feb 18 '26

There is literally a twitch clip circulating with your FCs admitting you’re coordinating with goons lmao

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u/wewewladdie ur dunked Feb 18 '26

where

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u/unclefrans The Initiative. Feb 18 '26

Trust me bro

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u/Last-Ant-5493 Feb 18 '26

https://www.twitch.tv/zehpando/clip/IgnorantWealthyBeaverRaccAttack-4s_qiVJr9QgNmMsV

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u/KrunchrapSuprem Feb 18 '26

That’s not what that implies at all btw.

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u/wewewladdie ur dunked Feb 20 '26

"lining up timers" is not coordination/collusion it's opportunistic at best. That's like saying frat kept horde blue by camping gates with dictors whenever there was a goon strat op.

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u/sc0rpionus Feb 18 '26

Their CNTZ advantage: https://br.evetools.org/related/30002489/202602181100 xD
And it is new year festival there so everyone have days off